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Post #4361 · Posted at 2017-06-12 08:21:11pm 8.2 years ago

Offline HealingDMax300
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Last updated: 2017-06-12 08:25pm
I don't get the shock arrow hate. You guys make it seem like they should be avoided like the plague because they can't be tastefully used in charts.

Post #4362 · Posted at 2017-06-12 09:13:49pm 8.2 years ago

Offline paperpeach
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"weenie hut general"
the only good SA chart is the one that lets you do this

Post #4363 · Posted at 2017-06-12 09:17:34pm 8.2 years ago

Offline wrsw
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Quote: HealingDMax300
I don't get the shock arrow hate. You guys make it seem like they should be avoided like the plague because they can't be tastefully used in charts.

They CAN be used well.

In the vast majority of cases, they aren't.

Post #4364 · Posted at 2017-06-12 10:52:51pm 8.2 years ago

Offline rapidemboar
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Inb4 this is dadadada's challenge chart


I was fine with this until the 12th stream. Really hoping they don't do something like that, it's kinda stupid and should be reserved for PARANOiA. But yeah, guess it's either that or shock arrows. Not that I don't like shock arrows- I'd honestly prefer that to a song with overly draining stepping gimmicks.

Post #4365 · Posted at 2017-06-13 12:28:53am 8.2 years ago

Offline Gpop
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Nah see, they should just make the challenge chart like this one, minus the mines and rolls.



Basically, make them footswitches instead :V

Post #4366 · Posted at 2017-06-13 12:40:25am 8.2 years ago

Offline DigitalBasic
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I don't get the shock arrow hate. You guys make it seem like they should be avoided like the plague because they can't be tastefully used in charts.

They CAN be used well.

In the vast majority of cases, they aren't.
I don't know about you, but I played a good portion of shock arrow charts, and they are well done for the most part.

Seriously, Theory of Eternity Challenge on doubles is actually very well crafted, and Smooch Challenge on singles is all about replicating the video. Those are from X2, and they've only gotten better from there. Learn to use the middle of the pad as an extra step and you'll see they actually flow so much better than they look.

Post #4367 · Posted at 2017-06-13 12:48:55am 8.2 years ago

Offline Morning Blue
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Two updates in less than a month? Has Konami gone mad??

Curious how Da's charts will come out. (Don't care for Oboro at all.)

Post #4368 · Posted at 2017-06-13 12:59:06am 8.2 years ago

Offline Sigrev2
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"suffering from success"
2 songs i don't care for in the slightest are getting challenge charts, route 80s still hasn't been revived
ddr is fucking dead

Post #4369 · Posted at 2017-06-13 01:42:24am 8.2 years ago

Offline Tyler
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Im all for removing SA charts, but have a modifier to add/remove them, much like mines in ITG.

Post #4370 · Posted at 2017-06-13 01:53:16am 8.2 years ago

Offline wrsw
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Quote: DigitalBasic
Quote: wrsw
Quote: HealingDMax300
I don't get the shock arrow hate. You guys make it seem like they should be avoided like the plague because they can't be tastefully used in charts.

They CAN be used well.

In the vast majority of cases, they aren't.
I don't know about you, but I played a good portion of shock arrow charts, and they are well done for the most part.

Seriously, Theory of Eternity Challenge on doubles is actually very well crafted, and Smooch Challenge on singles is all about replicating the video. Those are from X2, and they've only gotten better from there. Learn to use the middle of the pad as an extra step and you'll see they actually flow so much better than they look.

I'll actually fully admit doubles in general is much better about Shock Arrow use than Singles is, for no apparent reason (See: New Century CDP vs. CSP). I don't play doubles very much, so I don't really have much to say.

Theory of Eternity isn't bad, but...they could've done a lot more with that song.

I guess Shock Arrows annoy me more because they tend to be either A: obnoxious (e.g., PTF) or B: take up the slot on a song that could've had a much better challenging Challenge chart (e.g., Theory of Eternity, which could've probably been a decent 14 or so, but was a 10 instead) or C: completely forgettable/non-memorable (e.g., don't ask, I've forgotten).

Though admittedly, I'll say sometimes they absolutely nail their use, take Blew My Mind Challenge, as much as I don't like that chart, it's Shock Arrow on the pause was absolutely perfect.

Post #4371 · Posted at 2017-06-13 01:58:04am 8.2 years ago

Offline rapidemboar
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Quote: wrsw
C: completely forgettable an non-memorable (e.g., don't ask, I've forgotten).

The ones that come to my mind are Ice Ice Baby Challenge and Butterfly 2008 Challenge.

Post #4372 · Posted at 2017-06-13 01:58:45am 8.2 years ago

Offline Zowayix
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Twinkle HeartChallenge and Right on TimeChallenge are excellent Shock Arrow charts IMO.

Post #4373 · Posted at 2017-06-13 02:34:39am 8.2 years ago

Offline DigitalBasic
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C: completely forgettable an non-memorable (e.g., don't ask, I've forgotten).

The ones that come to my mind are Ice Ice Baby Challenge and Butterfly 2008 Challenge.
Those two (along a few others) were just the Basic charts with shock arrows. Kind of half-assed charts there.

Post #4374 · Posted at 2017-06-13 06:33:06am 8.2 years ago

Offline Cardia
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Smooch and SigSig Challenge both used Shock Arrows pretty well.

Post #4375 · Posted at 2017-06-13 10:35:57am 8.2 years ago

Offline Storm_x8
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I thought One Sided Love Challenge was awful when I first played it but once I adjusted my brain to treating all the shock arrows as hitting the center panel it actually became a really fun chart to play. Kind of like when I first learned how to do the Afronova walk properly.

Post #4376 · Posted at 2017-06-15 01:19:19am 8.2 years ago

Offline PerroXX
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https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DCUvRINVwAILtfg?format=jpg&name=large

Hmm ... Interesting 16Challenge there

Post #4377 · Posted at 2017-06-15 01:22:21am 8.2 years ago

Offline NewbStepper
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"Crybabies unite~ ♡"
A 16 for 打打打打打打打打打打 Challenge? Will we see 12th jumps or something?
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Post #4378 · Posted at 2017-06-15 01:26:17am 8.2 years ago

Offline Wari
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Last updated: 2017-06-15 01:26am
It's jacks on every dadadada (I played it)

Post #4379 · Posted at 2017-06-15 01:35:37am 8.2 years ago

Offline Branleon1
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https://www.twitch.tv/videos/151911002
Here is the chart for 打打打打打打打打打打Challenge
credit goes to ElemengaX
Yes, I'm still alive.

Post #4380 · Posted at 2017-06-15 01:41:02am 8.2 years ago

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