DanceDanceRevolution A (AC)

Yep, make everything out to be a worst possible case scenario.

All this whining over a 20 second cutscene. jfc

I don't know if you're in the US or not, but to do what you did at a D&B or a Round 1:

48 weeks * 4 games * ~$1.25/game = $240 spent on DDR A in the year

Not everybody has that amount of disposable income at hand, not to mention the time investment due to lack of proximity, work/school, etc.

You're acting as if this is just over a 20 second cutscene instead of frustration over a literal year of fuck all lmao

Basically, a "AA a hard song to get a boss song on Extra Stage" system will suffice come the next DDR game. These unlock methods are complete ass and promote money over skill.

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I live 20 minutes from an Ace machine which I (time permitting) play on multiple times a week and I still think the whole Endy/A4A being locked for a year thing was the dumbest shit ever.

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The grind is purposeful in the arcade sense.

It's shitty, yes, but deliberate. If you spent one hour a week playing and it took ten months to finish Rinon 3, then you weren't the target in the first place. It was meant to eat the credits of higher skilled players that HAD to play that song because it was there and it was hard.

The ol' arcade strategy of "eat credits" applies. Everyone else it didn't directly target would get there eventually but still had more content anyway so they didn't need something to entice them to play again.

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I'm aware it's a successful, deliberate plan.

My argument is not debating whether the plan works, but that the plan is completely disgraceful. Arcade games eat money perfectly fine without these stupid methods. If your arcade game isn't making money without you throat-fucking your loyal players, YOUR GAME SUCKS.

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Hey, guess What? If you don't like how much you have to grind to play endymion, don't grind. If you regularly play ddr you're going to unlock the challenge charts and endymion. If you don't, they're only challenge charts, no big deal, and theres plenty of extra savior songs that you can unlock. But honestly I'd rather them give us grindy content then no content at all.

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That's a lot of arcade games then. This one isn't even as bad considering you still are playing the game rather normally (unless you go out of your way to game the system for one song) and it isn't simply killing you off for literally no reason like some of the other games I've seen, even those that are new.

Like the Spiderman game at D&B actually refused to acknowledge my button press towards the end of my run, or how many shooters actively will just damage you without you even being able to do anything about it. If DDR did that then I wouldn't even bother playing at that point because that's the worst thing you can do.

I don't disagree that it's shitty or disgraceful. I hate it. It sucks and shouldn't even be in a game that doesn't even give you anything outside of personal satisfaction.

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Here's a defining quote of how far DDR has fallen.

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I mean I'm gonna play the game anyway so I literally don't care. Stop being salty for absolutely no reason. It's not our fault that the UK got the short end of the stick with DDR.

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Yeah I only present questions as to the future of DDR because I'm salty Konami don't have eAmuse here. You got me. I'm fucked, officer.

Newsflash; It's not sour grapes. I frequently play other rhythm games without any issue. You can't just say "lol you're just mad UK got fuck't" and pretend that's my gripe with such a mediocre game.

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I mean you're just mad in general. You complain about literally everything related to ddr. We get good new charts and it's not "cool" it's "Well i guess konami didn't fuck up this time, bummer."

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NO JOKES ABOUT PREVIOUSLY BAD CONTENT ON MY THREAD

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While I 100% agree that the Rinon grind was ass and a half, it's not THAT bad when compared to past mixes. I'll take Rinon over Replicant anything any day of the week.

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It's still bad.

Compare it to Boss on Parade and Replicant D-ignition. That was not limited to a single day to even play the final song (and the event ended 6 months later with all the songs unlockable and all of them available for normal play in 10 months; Endymion/AFA are still locked as Extra Exclusive after 9 months!). Endymion required you to play 8 times in a single day in order to even see it, and if you did not play it by then? Too bad.

Making it available once every 8 plays and always available until played would have been a much better solution. It would have made it exciting when you finally get to it (as a boss song, it would have worked well this way), and it wouldn't require you to spend a long time playing in a single day just to have the chance to see it.

That's not even counting the unlock process to either event, though. Both are terrible, but I'll give a plus for DDR A dropping the whole "play specific songs to unlock others" thing.

There were better ways to handle it. It won't matter though, as Konami probably has statistics from these events to show these systems work for them.

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Other Konami arcade games were all grindy as hell, and I don't really mind that...
There's a total of 767 (743 in NA/EU) songs to be played with and you're complaining about how much grinding it is to access 1/2 songs that you might not even interested to play
(lets be honest here, Endymion difficulty >< your DDR skills >< A4A reward but only if you PFC, will make or break your decisions)

SDVX comes to mind about how grindy it can be, DDR is nothing compared

At least be grateful that DDR A was released outside Japan.
Remember the time when we can only be jealous with all the DDR content and complaining for not releasing it in each of our country?
If you're whining about the money spent on the travel cost or price of the game, then simply don't play it. Its not Konami's business to deal with
There still many people with passion towards this game that willing to pay those for the sake of community and/or the pleasure playing game itself.

And even though it might feel not worth the effort, I personally feel excited when finally accessing Endymion (even if it takes me 8 credits). Most of my 8 credits were spent on sharpening my DDR skill (and got heated by my friends achievement when playing it) so it doesn't feel like I'm tiring my way out with only 1 specific goal (which is reaching Endy and A4A)

Fhew, finally got it all out~
Now for a lighter note...
I noticed that Boss Rush ESP and EDP were rated as 17 on their website

But BoP/RDI is exactly what I'm comparing RA to lol. To even get to Replicant D Ignition you had to have cleared Boss on Parade. So you have to grind songs for medals. Once you get 10 medals, you trade those medals in for 2 shinier medals. Once you get 10 of the shinier medals you start grinding for the next of the 5 songs needed to fully unlock the Boss on Parade songs. Then you start grinding those stupid fucking vials for RDI. It's insanity and just reading about it gives me a headache.

At least with Rinon's Adventure I can play what I want, when I want to. Yes, it took a year, but there's a LOT of content in Ace considering most of America didn't get to play DDR after X2 unless you knew a guy who knew a guy with a REDACTED account.

We are never going back to the days of AA an easy song on Expert to get Extra Stage. Let's appreciate progress where it's due.

Edit: Felixor basically explained what I was going to say lol

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Or, you know

I can criticize a game I actually enjoy greatly instead of saying it is fine as is.

DDR A is my favorite mix and a step in the right direction of the series in many aspects.

It just has some really bad ideas that could have been better executed. Endymion limited to a single day only after 8 credits is one of those awful decisions. Gaining steps only on Extra Stage to even unlock the Extra Exclusives for normal play is another.

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Not sure why you're getting so defensive. We're pretty much on the same page.


Considering Boss Rush has more steps than Triple Counter while being just as long, this makes WAY more sense than it being rated a 16.

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Man, I sure missed a LOT of info in the past 4 months/last 20 hours.

Regarding grinding in DDR, especially in A, well, as many people already mentioned, it's nothing new. Not in this game series, not in any BEMANI game, not in (almost) any rhythm game. Sure, it's tiring, but it's not the only part of the game. As Felixor said:
So yeah, I don't think this issue is that bad, personally. But what do I know, my arcade doesn't even have DDR A in the first place AND I've been absent for 4 months. Just great.

When it comes to the new songs, I also share most opinions here. (Well ain't I original?).
Sakura Reflection looks way too easy for a level 15 chart. I worry a bit that the line between what should be a 15 and what should not be rated alongside MAX 300 is disapearing.
On a better note, BOSS RUSH IS LEGENDARY. I wasn't expecting it here, which only made it better. I'm gonna have a lot of fun playing it...on SM5. With a keyboard.
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