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Holy shit the Miku song is even less of a 16 than Emera is

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Koji passed it twice, probably grinding it quickly to make the video. Remember that it is just a 13, it's not too hard. The only real reason there were so few passes on it before was because of the ENDYMION ESP requirement and because of the awful sync on it. Since the requirement has been lowered and the timing fixed, there's been a lot more passes and a lot better scores on AFA.

Yeah no shit, I just compared it to nephilim Delta And honestly, they look somewhat similar in difficulty...

Just, the Miku song is longer....

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Miku's runs at 240 (compared to Nephilim Delta's 220), and is about 20-odd seconds shorter.

If we say the song is a harder version of Nephilim Delta, which is a 15, then we can make the argument that this should be a 16.

EDIT: Wait a minute Nephilim Delta's a 14 nevermind argument doesn't work at all

EDIT #2: Yeah the best argument is that it's a 20 BPM slower version of Illegal Function Call, but has higher step density than IFC does (699 vs. 729 steps, both songs being about the same length) That's the only working argument for this being a 16. Otherwise, it's a 15, really.

Nevermind

Anywhat, IFC 699 steps crammed into a 1:59 song whereas Miku's song is well over 2 minutes long with not much in the means if heavy crossovers, streams, or jumps...

It honestly looks more like an extremely lengthy 14

There's really not much bumping it up from that, tbh

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Singles tier lists updated to include the Vocaloid licenses.
http://ddrcommunity.com/ddr-difficulty-tier-list/ (Remember, based on timing/scoring difficulty)

Doubles position for Disappearance of Miku to come later.

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I hate to be that guy but uhh...
You're lacking one extra less than symbol...
That chart is a 14...
Doesn't matter that it has over 700+ notes and goes 240 bpm those patterns are way too simple and way too broken enough to not even warrant being labeled a 15...

Imean, that's just the way I see it, idunno...

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Yeah, it's the second-most flagrant mis-rate on the history of the X-scale (the first-most being FLOWER, which was originally somehow a 17 (now a 15)), though it's I still think it's almost always better to rate higher than rate lower, as lower mis-rates actually end rounds.

(And I specify most flagrant mis-rate on the X-scale, because on the classic scale, SuperNOVA 2 was a complete mess)
(EDIT: And even before then, how the hell were Bag or Sakura 10-footers on classic scale?!)

they were rated 10 because of their speed (despite mods being a thing at the time, maybe Konami thought players still used x1)

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The silver lining of Disappearance of Hatsune Miku is we now have a song where people can't gripe about the background being distracting... but the chart is to bland that distractions don't matter.

I have more negative comments than it deserves, but this addition is still so weird... and it's still not the kors k Miku song.

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The speed changes for Sakura are still not easy, and I still think it's a 14 [I feel there are easier 14s than Sakura and many classics are underrated] but there is already a misrated thread for this debate.

The only reason I'd rate Hatsune Miku a 15 is the time length [a new DDR AC record of 2:21] for stamina but even then, the song is about as difficult as Houkago Stride making it a medium-to-hard 14.

nah, I would say it's a 15, because I would say it's about the same as a slightly faster Houkago Stride, which is a 14 (but imo Houkago Stride it's borderline 15 because it's actually very tiring to be a 14 with it being very streamy at 225 bpm).

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Houkago Stride has more lengthy streams and complex crossovers than TDoHM

I guess the only reason I'd give it a 15 rating is maybe because of that silly jump in the middle of the near-ending stream

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That, and the 729-step notecount (previously unseen in anything under a 17). Most high-end 14 challengers will find it to be quite the endurance test and find it a struggle to remain consistent on the song for that long.

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I don't think step count should have that much of a sway over ratings considering a song like NGO on both Heavy and Oni has less steps than an average 13 or 14 and yet still deserve its 16 and 18 ratings, and the Space Prim song has a lot of notes on Heavy while still not deserving anything higher than a 14

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also illegal function call

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Don't want to be that guy but NGO is only a 15 on expert, not a 16 (and honestly it's an easy 15 at that, only one part is any difficult)

EDIT: Also the for that is also incredibly stupid and no one likes it (like Jumpspam? Yeah, I thought so), a better comparison would be Neutrino, which is a 16 and 18, with stepcounts of 499 and 570, and isn't also complete garbage, compared to the arguably easier Come To Life, also 16 and 18, but with 611 and 730 (and is actually quite good, chart wise).

I don't really want to go on a tangent here but I wouldn't say NGO S- is easy for a 15. Yes, it's true that only one part is truly difficult (the ending), but said ending stream is 95 notes in length and requires footwork that is considered complex at level 15. You could start from a full gauge and fail just from the ending run.

On top of that, the fact that it has a very low notecount overall (371 steps and 10 freezes in total) makes the 95-step ending account for a quarter of all notes. Add the slowdown section that is difficult to time correctly, and you have a 15 that has a rather high scoring difficulty. It's not a chart I would recommend to someone who is just ready to move up to this level.

I agree in principle. Notecounts typically raise or lower a rating by 1 level at most. That Prim song on actually has easy footwork for a 14, and it's rated that mainly because of its sheer volume of notes.

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It's a 15 on doubles with less notes.

But it doesn't matter because ratings should be more of a guideline rather than "this rating must mean this chart has this in it and if it doesn't it is WRONG AND BAD". If it is misrated, it doesn't change the chart at all.

Also Disappearance probably isn't as complicated as many fan charts for it simply because it is a licensed song and making it an 18/19 is probably an awful idea if that means it can be removed at any time when the license runs out.

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Could have sworn it was a 16 but you're right, my apologies, my point still stands. NewbStepper is completely right in saying that the ending is what justifies its rating. But it's justified regardless.

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