DanceDanceRevolution A (AC)

except you know, butterfly has already been revived on ddr 5 times
danceevo was pitched as a successor to ddr and look how well it did

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They might just be unveiling a bunch of DDR tracks for the game, and maybe it's there to be another new additional game. That, or they've really hit the wall with stepchart design. It's pretty close to a complete science now, really. "Bad" is just about the only "new" thing they could do with DDR steps, and even that isn't all that new (glares at PtF and DEGRS and now A4A).

At least adding DDR songs to a new Dance Game would make sense for the event... and it's not like we didn't enjoy the 4th Mix PLUS/5th Mix crossovers on DanceManiaX at the time, too. It's basically like that, I think.

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um ddr a has been generally good in chart design compared to older mixes, sure there kight be a few duds there but it's been overall much better than previous mixes

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I agree, Now DDR could combine good songs in this version. Honestly, I liked DDR A songs than 2014 especially EXTRA STAGE songs.

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I guess if we're talking below 15s, sure
go any higher and there's problems

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People have been saying this for years and years yet the game is still alive and kickin', so until Konami makes any sort of official announcement that they're axing the game (which I don't think they would do on the 20th anniversary), there's no reason to think that they're going to kill DDR.

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Futhermore Bemani team have been looking new artist to improve the arcades machines and have new rhythms. (i guess)

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Idk, since some mixes, they are doing a pretty good job stepping hard songs. There's a lot of songs with fluid steps and rated high (like some 17-like Triple Counter- and 18 -like IX or POSSESSION-... even i feel ENDYMION or ParaRevo are well stepped compared to VD for example). We know there's some awful charts like DEGRS but they are improving for sure.

Yeah, dunno where you've been but the 16s have been awesome this mix.

Astrogazer , Come to Life and Illegal Function Call are all great, and if you are willing to put up with BPM gimmicks, Neutrino is pretty fun too.

Hell, even the 17s are pretty good this time around; Be a Hero, even if you hate the song, has a fun chart, Triple Journey is also a lot of fun, and the one that was a 200-BPM 17 that I can't remember the name of was pretty good as well.

Like I'm pretty sure this is the best mixes as far as above 15 difficulty has gone.

ENDYMION is somewhat interesting in that I don't think it's an awful chart - play it at half speed and most of the patterns actually make sense; basically everything that's 16ths at 220 or 8ths at 440 is possible to do with standard footing. The only question is whether or not it's reasonable to say "it's reasonable at 220 so it's reasonable at 440"; and that's not a question I think I'm qualified to answer; though I'll say I found ENDYMION pretty fun at 0.75x rate.

Seriously, there is still a great amount of classics that never saw AC releases: Outer Limits, Giudecca, Infinite Prayer, Love is Dreaminess, Something Wonderful, e-motion (Romantic Style), The Strong Jaeger [UFO Remix], Nemesis; and that's just from the Ultramix series with artists still with Bemani.

I think we'd all go crazy if Konami just popped in Maximizer and Murmur Twins quietly into AC as well.

yes, I know there are good 16s, I don't recall saying this, please quote where I did.
I also never specified 16s at all, why are we focusing so much on this range but not the higher difficulties?

I likle how you picked some of the very few high level charts that are good and didn't mention the bad ones like Cosy Catastrophe , ENDYMION , Neutrino . I find it interesting you neglected to mention these.

恋する☆宇宙戦争っ!! was the one you were thinking of (the 200 BPM 17). That one's nice.

I fixed this for you to better fit the narrative you've attempting to construct thus far.


If you have to run a song at a slower speed to find some entertainment in the chart, then it's not very good. At regular speed, it should function well and there shouldn't be any fatal flaws, poor patterns, anything excessive at that high rate of speed that makes you wonder, "Hey, isn't this a bit much?". I'm not running ENDYMION at .75x just to try and enjoy it, it should be enjoyable at 1x, but it's not, it feels like a chore to clear at times on pad. The question of whether or not patterns are reasonable could be answered by anyone with a good ability to follow the flow of patterns and understand how the player is typically going to react when presented with certain patterns, which really should be anyone that can pass charts since you've all garnered a decent understanding by now of chart flow and how to react to certain patterns properly in order to not only better fit your play style, but also get the best score possible.

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I think every mix is going to have some duds, and I'll happily concede Konami really needs to work on the quality of their 18s. But overall, I've been happy with most of the lower level boss songs. The only ones I really don't like are Ishtar , Cosy Catastrophe , and Poochie is kinda weird. Aside from those, though, most of the charting for A has been pretty good.

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I've mostly been happy with the quality of the 17s. 16s have been very hit-or-miss.

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DDR's chart design is all over the place. They tend to overchart a lot of things while ALSO underchart a lot of other parts of a song.

Although some charts are "good" in respect to DDR's overall chart design on average (ie. I'm So Happy CSP), I have two personal complaints with them.

1) Non-sensical crossover placements. A lot of times they throw in crossovers at places they don't feel right, when they could've been done well to fit the song rhythmically or to the melody, or they're just throw into streams just to add annoying artificial difficulty (ie. Paranoia Revolution)

2) Lack of chart innovation. Although they try to be innovative, I feel a lot of their innovation is just them trying to push the limits of the patterns they already use or gimmicks. They very rarely do footswitch patterns (which I think most of the time they don't even intend), and never do sideswitch patterns, among other things. They never actually experiment more with BPM/stop gimmicks too besides just stupid speedups or slowdowns for a section or a sudden stop (which usually fits the song). But I never see them ever experiment with stop gimmicks like stutter sections, and I've only seen them every use a wave gimmick only once, which is OtP, which even then, they ruined it by added steps in the middle of them making them annoying.

Overall, I just feel they just lack creativity and innovation in their charts, and try to resort to non-sensical gimmicks to continue being relevant. Honestly, I really do like the fact that they finally have separate BPM changes in a chart for the same song that A4A CSP introduced, and I hope they actually continue with that from now on.

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In regards to chart quality

There's more than Expert/Challenge singles in the game.

Perhaps play something else for a change?

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chocolate philosophy already confirmed to not be using it's ultramix 4 charts but we knew that

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There's also a challenge.

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What's with the bpm? Thought chocolate philosophy was faster than that.

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