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Post #6001 · Posted at 2018-01-01 03:40:23am 7.5 years ago

Offline SpongeFreak52
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The ripped video is unique in that it doesn't have any artist credits like it does in the EES, which I think also lends some credence to it being real..
Good catch. Looks like the BGA for Endymion's "screens" in the 3D scene is also out. It'd be impossible to get that if not from the drive itself.

Post #6002 · Posted at 2018-01-01 06:15:34am 7.5 years ago

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I think I can answer the how it's not rated a 20: POSSESSIONChallenge. It's well-known for being the only song in the game that's a 19 on Doubles but not Singles (18).
This literally means nothing?

They are two different charts. Just because it is an 18 on one mode doesn't mean it has to be the same on the other.
I think what wrsw meant was that POSSESSION D-Challenge was originally an 18 because 19s had yet to exist when it came out, and KONAMI perhaps did not have any definition of a 19 when this chart was made. Similarly, they might not simply be ready to test ENDYMION D-Challenge against any hypothetical 20, so 19 remains the highest assignable difficulty, at least for now.
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Post #6003 · Posted at 2018-01-01 07:30:10am 7.5 years ago

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I think what wrsw meant was that POSSESSION D-Challenge was originally an 18 because 19s had yet to exist when it came out, and KONAMI perhaps did not have any definition of a 19 when this chart was made. Similarly, they might not simply be ready to test ENDYMION D-Challenge against any hypothetical 20, so 19 remains the highest assignable difficulty, at least for now.

That's basically exactly the way I see it - I would not be terribly surprised if this ends up re-rated a 20 when the first actual 20-footer gets unveiled, much like how POSSESSION D-Challenge got re-rated 18 -->19 after release.

Of course, this hypothesis only works if we even get a 20, and that so far hasn't happened, so what do we know

Post #6004 · Posted at 2018-01-01 08:31:18am 7.5 years ago

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- On the Encore Extra Stage screen, there's a "Connecting" progress bar and different load times between plays. It looks like the game actually fetches stepchart data and the like from Konami's servers before the song, which would mean that a hacker couldn't just pull the hard drive out of a machine and dump the chart that way. They'd have to have someone actually play Ace For Aces and dump live RAM from the machine on the fly. This isn't impossible (the machine is just a fork of Windows iirc), but it's much more difficult and it's something I'm not believing without at the least evidence of the dump's setup.
- The machine certainly doesn't store any stepchart data in .SM format, which means that someone also bothered to convert DDR's stepchart format into .SM, without any trace of the original mentioned or uploaded. This is suspicious.
- Ace For AcesBeginner and Heavy were uploaded in separate .SMs hours apart, with the exchange making it look like the provider forgot about Beginner. A troll in this position could've used the time to make up a Beginner chart. The machine must fetch all the charts at once (otherwise no one would have access to Beginner), so why the separate uploads?

The data is all on the hard drive, there is no fetching of individual files from the server like you suggest. Say for instance the machine is in offline/local mode, that "CONNECTING" bar (which is purely aesthetic) still shows up. Don't think that just because this has a US release that people aren't going to be playing things they shouldn't be privately.

Songs are just locked by flags so this spongey fellow is correct (barring songs not actually downloaded in a patch). This is usually the case for music games in general.

Post #6005 · Posted at 2018-01-01 01:25:47pm 7.5 years ago

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Just wondering, anyone have the background video for endymion?

Post #6006 · Posted at 2018-01-01 01:48:35pm 7.5 years ago

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In Supernova 2, a low quality audio file of Pluto Relinquish was leaked before it was unlocked. Most people thought it was fake but it actually turned out to be the real thing.

AFA and Endymion Challenge were leaked months ago. I'm surprised they stayed under the radar until now. But... Why now? I'm willing to bet both would be unlocked after KAC anyway. Why can't people be patient? It's a chart nobody will be able to pass and a song nobody will care about in a few days.
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Post #6007 · Posted at 2018-01-01 05:55:31pm 7.5 years ago

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In Supernova 2, a low quality audio file of Pluto Relinquish was leaked before it was unlocked. Most people thought it was fake but it actually turned out to be the real thing.

AFA and Endymion Challenge were leaked months ago. I'm surprised they stayed under the radar until now. But... Why now? I'm willing to bet both would be unlocked after KAC anyway. Why can't people be patient? It's a chart nobody will be able to pass and a song nobody will care about in a few days.

I'm surprised people thought Pluto Relinquish was fake considering the entire game was spoiled/leaked in a botched location test.

Post #6008 · Posted at 2018-01-01 07:04:16pm 7.5 years ago

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Just wondering, anyone have the background video for endymion?

Go to the simfile page and download the AVI.

Post #6009 · Posted at 2018-01-01 09:51:30pm 7.5 years ago

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I'm surprised people thought Pluto Relinquish was fake considering the entire game was spoiled/leaked in a botched location test.
People didn't doubt that Pluto Relinquish was fake (as you said, most knew about its existence thanks to the location test), but rather that the particular leaked audio (which was this video by the way) was "too clean" for what we were getting by then. Others thought that it was a fan remix of Pluto with FELM too.

Post #6010 · Posted at 2018-01-02 12:30:58am 7.5 years ago

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I'm surprised people thought Pluto Relinquish was fake considering the entire game was spoiled/leaked in a botched location test.
People didn't doubt that Pluto Relinquish was fake (as you said, most knew about its existence thanks to the location test), but rather that the particular leaked audio (which was this video by the way) was "too clean" for what we were getting by then. Others thought that it was a fan remix of Pluto with FELM too.

Oh I was referring to the song being fake not the existence of Pluto Relinquish. I remember that link, I found it suspiciously clean but reasonable for a "2MB" remix of a Naoki boss song. The idea of it being extracted from arcade (cuz everyone was talking about how SuperNOVA AC was just a PS2 in a DDR cab and I had the wrong idea on how feasible it is to rip data) has been the reason why bemani related leaks no longer became a groundbreaking/inconceivable concept.

Post #6011 · Posted at 2018-01-02 05:01:59am 7.5 years ago

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Aside from the drama going on from A4A, does anyone know the fastest way to clear Rinon’s Adventure, since the event might be ending shortly after KAC, I still want a chance to play Endymion without having to ask someone who actually did complete it.
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Post #6012 · Posted at 2018-01-02 05:36:33am 7.5 years ago

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Play Pluto Relinquish/Nephilim Delta/Over The Period on Risky enough times to get your eAmuse up to level 3 and then play stuff you know you can AAA whenever you get to the extra stage. It's still probably going to take you a while, but that's going to be your best bet. Or only play songs you know you can AAA for every single song of every single set with LIFE4 on.

Post #6013 · Posted at 2018-01-02 09:05:37am 7.5 years ago

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Play Pluto Relinquish/Nephilim Delta/Over The Period on Risky enough times to get your eAmuse up to level 3 and then play stuff you know you can AAA whenever you get to the extra stage. It's still probably going to take you a while, but that's going to be your best bet. Or only play songs you know you can AAA for every single song of every single set with LIFE4 on.
Echoing this, when you do have Level 3, fail the first two stages on the first step with RISKY (like before), but clear the Final Stage. Try to AAA all Extra Stages.
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Post #6014 · Posted at 2018-01-02 04:52:45pm 7.5 years ago

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Aside from the drama going on from A4A, does anyone know the fastest way to clear Rinon’s Adventure, since the event might be ending shortly after KAC, I still want a chance to play Endymion without having to ask someone who actually did complete it.
If RDa and RDi are any indication, songs have never been locked out when an event ends, but non-song stuff such as characters, cutscenes, and the ability to play 5 songs in one credit can be. So I doubt it's worth it to grind all the way through RA unless you really want to.

If you still do though, the fastest way to progress through the event is to get to Extra Stage Level 3 (7 Heat Power), then purposely fail 1st/2nd Stage and play the shortest song in the game for Final and Extra Stage. One of the fastest songs to fail is Pluto Relinquish on Risky, and one of the shortest songs in the game is e-motion at ~60 seconds (I think there's one other song that's equally short, though I can't remember which one it is).

Assuming you can AAA e-motion (whatever difficulty) every single time you play it, getting through all 11 RA Worlds takes 3+3+3+7+7+7+9+9+9+9+13 or 79 credits, all of them on Premium Play. In Japan this would cost the equivalent of $94.80 (not sure what credit prices are in the US). Each credit should take about 4 minutes, so that's well over 5 hours of playing the same song at least 175 times in a row and spending nearly $100 to complete RA. If you can get a machine to yourself for that long.

Post #6015 · Posted at 2018-01-02 07:02:09pm 7.5 years ago

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Analyzed the leaked charts not too long ago.

ENDYMION CDP scares me. It takes what makes OTP and Ego CDP hard, combines them, and puts them to utter shame. How it wasn't rated a 20 is beyond me.

Isn't rated a 20 because Egoism 440 D-Challenge is harder than Endymion D-Challenge

In that case, Egoism is the one that should be re-rated

Post #6016 · Posted at 2018-01-02 07:59:39pm 7.5 years ago

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Literally the only thing that EGOISM 440 D-Challenge has that's harder than Endymion D-Challenge is the length of the death stream.

Otherwise, Endymion's the harder song: It's a longer song, has more jumps, and has more crossovers.

Post #6017 · Posted at 2018-01-03 09:56:07pm 7.5 years ago

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Isn't rated a 20 because Egoism 440 D-Challenge is harder than Endymion D-Challenge

In that case, Egoism is the one that should be re-rated


I've carefully analyzed both, but I'll narrow it down to mostly the parts near the end. EGOISM 440 has nothing like 1:37 on ENDYMION D-Challenge, let alone on half-speed. It's possible to alternate this pattern but in doing so, you do risk twisting your ankle at this kind of speed. Both charts have a death run at the end, and although EGOISM 440's death stream is almost twice as long as ENDYMION's (126 vs. 65 notes), the arrangement for EGOISM is mostly candles and crab walks (until the transition at the very end), while ENDYMION's death run has a long-distance 6th note run before it begins, and mixes transitions with the crab patterns. At note 823, there is a center cross followed by a very wide crossover before the jump section begins. As for the rest of each chart, what ENDYMION lacks in stream compared to EGOISM 440, it makes up for it in its jumps and wide transitions. Taking movements into account, I feel like ENDYMION will be more tiring by the end of it. All in all, ENDYMION D-Challenge is probably harder. That said, I would like to see both eventually re-rated to 20.
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Post #6018 · Posted at 2018-01-04 01:28:48pm 7.5 years ago

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It seems like POSSESSION all over again. A really demanding chart that seems out of the league it's in. The only problem is we need an actual 20 to compare it to, similar to POSSESSION being changed after an actual 19 came out. The only problem is what kind of a giant prick will make that 20.

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Post #6019 · Posted at 2018-01-04 03:49:09pm 7.5 years ago

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Quick question for you all..

Do the KAC qualifier songs go away after a certain point in time (Be a Hero, Reach the Sky)? I went to my local R1 last week but couldn't find them anywhere. Thanks in advance.

Post #6020 · Posted at 2018-01-04 04:10:39pm 7.5 years ago

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You need to register online for the KAC in order to play them, then play a round with your eAmuse pass. You have until January 9 (4 AM EST) to register, but after that they're there permanently.
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