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Post #201 · Posted at 2021-06-28 02:33:10pm 3.9 years ago

Offline darkanine
darkanine Avatar Member+
1,340 Posts
United States
Reg. 2014-06-30

"new phone who dis"

Last updated: 2021-06-28 09:04pm
So after doing some experimentation with the current system of calculating scores, I have found a flaw.

Finding the outliers in the current way is not effective because it does NOT take into account each voter's average assigned rating.

For example, voter A could rate simfiles according to the scale:
1- below average
2 - average
3- above average
4- very good
5- awesome
6- outstanding
7- literally amazing
8- flawless
9- unbelievable
10- the best simfile ever

But voter B could use a different scale:
1- unplayable
2- trash
3- horrible
4- very bad
5- not good
6- eh
7- okay
8- nice
9- fun!
10- spectacular

Voter A assigns an average vote of around 2.5, but Voter B assigns an average vote of around 7.5. So in this scenario, a 4 from voter 1 is above average and would actually be good for the recipients overall score, better than a 7 from voter B. But the 4 would get removed over the 7 in the current system of removing outliers.

The fix is to base the outliers on which vote has the greatest effect on that simfiles final score? This is mathematically equivalent to asking: which voter rated this simfile the worst/best compared to their average given vote?

The method of doing is what I have listed above, which is subtracting each voter's average given vote from each of their votes. This makes it so that way every voter's average is the same (in this case zero) so we CAN now compare votes for a certain simfile and remove the outliers.

Now you may understand this far, but still not see the issue with the way the Week 1 votes were calculated. Well let me just state some statistics about it.

23 of the 33 lower outliers that got removed can solely be attributed to one voter. That means that voter could have changed any on those votes by increasing them 1 point, or down my any number of points, and it would have no effect on the overall scores except their own because their voter average would change and they would get a different score for their own simfile. I hope you can see that this is an issue, because this voter's votes matter less overall.

Okay, that's all for now.

Post #202 · Posted at 2021-06-28 02:36:12pm 3.9 years ago

Offline eataninja
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Reg. 2011-05-05

You all are going through so many hoops to defend someone's votes instead of having that person learn from the consequences of grading everyone poorly...

Post #203 · Posted at 2021-06-28 07:23:19pm 3.9 years ago

Offline darkanine
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1,340 Posts
United States
Reg. 2014-06-30

"new phone who dis"

Last updated: 2021-06-28 07:23pm
EDIT: I understand that the current system is not going to change for the first 10 weeks, but I just ask that in the future, the method of calculating final scores should be made transparent before the votes are released. That way these issues can more readily be addressed before results are released.

Anyway, as long as people don't intentionally inflate their votes to gain an advantage, there really shouldn't be any issues. The difference is negligible for most people.

I think I'm gonna leave it for now, but I hope this can be addressed later on.

Post #204 · Posted at 2021-06-29 02:08:03am 3.9 years ago

Offline Braeden47
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United States
Reg. 2008-01-02

"X scale 20"
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Shock
Beast


https://zenius-i-vanisher.com/v5.2/viewsimfile.php?simfileid=46364

Challenge has 44.25 beats of Freeze Arrows.

Beginner 3 Light 5 Standard 10 Heavy 11 Challenge 15 edit 10

Every difficulty has shocks

Post #205 · Posted at 2021-06-29 05:02:50am 3.9 years ago

Offline chewi
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8,620 Posts
United States
Reg. 2008-02-24

"icon by hypnosispkmn@tumblr"
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BUBBLE BASS / YOOKiE
BPM: 75-150
Beginner3 Light6 Standard11 Heavy13
Download here!

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Post #206 · Posted at 2021-06-30 03:51:29am 3.9 years ago

Offline VanEden
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Reg. 2018-05-11

"orangutan occupation"

https://zenius-i-vanisher.com/pictures/20177-1589560928.png
other links:
_______New Album!_______________My Files_______
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Post #207 · Posted at 2021-06-30 11:23:13am 3.9 years ago

Offline K-Step
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373 Posts
Australia
Reg. 2012-07-04

Nintendo Network ID: iamthek3nNintendo Switch Friend Code: SW-2869-7360-2796Origin: iamk3nii

Post #208 · Posted at 2021-06-30 01:49:49pm 3.9 years ago

Offline eataninja
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Last updated: 2021-06-30 01:50pm

Post #209 · Posted at 2021-06-30 02:40:32pm 3.9 years ago

Offline mikeintyo
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United States
Reg. 2019-11-19

"get real"

Last updated: 2021-06-30 02:40pm
Week 4 - Long Distance

Wish and hope with...
https://zenius-i-vanisher.com/simfiles/Z-I-v%20Summer%20Contest%202021/Silver/Silver-jacket.png
Silver / A.G. Cook
Download || Simfile page

Singles: Beginner 3 || Light 6 || Standard 11 || Heavy 13 || Challenge 15

"There's no way you'll stay with a boy like me;
Two front teeth and the same black jeans."

Post #210 · Posted at 2021-06-30 04:21:29pm 3.9 years ago

Offline Akira
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Spain
Reg. 2007-06-17

"The S is silent."
Decided to pass for this week and take it easy while recovering
SIGNATURE

Post #211 · Posted at 2021-06-30 04:44:48pm 3.9 years ago

Offline SirDj0nt
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49 Posts
United States
Reg. 2017-05-07

"It’s Karl, spelled with a K."
Pulling back on the difficulty with this one.

Spiritbox - Blessed Be (Nightcore)

Singles: Beginner 4 Light 9 Standard 11 Heavy 14 Challenge16

Link: https://zenius-i-vanisher.com/v5.2/viewsimfile.php?simfileid=46373
This is Karl with a K. As soon as I can figure out how to change my username that will be more obvious

Also check out my music: https://open.spotify.com/artist/472f2Uez6l3cC6DPI7vnzi?si=1JFTvEHRQbqIG-S6DzkvyA&nd=1

Website: http://karl-with-a-k.weebly.com/

Post #212 · Posted at 2021-07-01 01:10:39am 3.9 years ago

Offline Pandemonium X
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10,356 Posts
United States
Reg. 2007-04-06

Nintendo Network ID: PandemoniumEJPNintendo Switch Friend Code: SW-2916-7192-8116
[FANTASY TOYPOP]
https://zenius-i-vanisher.com/simfiles/Z-I-v%20Summer%20Contest%202021/Mahou%20no%20kakurenbo/Mahou%20no%20kakurenbo-bg.png
魔法のかくれんぼ - Snail's House

BPM: 178-208
Beginner - 4 Light - 6 Standard - 8 Heavy - 13

Post #213 · Posted at 2021-07-01 01:40:38am 3.9 years ago

Offline tsugaru7reveng
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1,430 Posts
Canada
Reg. 2006-06-02

https://i.imgur.com/jx2BfJS.png

Yeah I think even Doubles Heavy exceeded 40 beats' worth of freeze arrows; enjoy.

Post #214 · Posted at 2021-07-01 06:24:30am 3.9 years ago

Offline Lampshade
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98 Posts
United States
Reg. 2019-10-12

Nintendo Switch Friend Code: SW-3776-4326-8498
"what do i put here"
https://i.imgur.com/u1JHKKi.png

i had a lot of fun charting this one :)
DDR Code: 61628944

Post #215 · Posted at 2021-07-01 02:23:26pm 3.9 years ago

Offline TikalFan9000
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1,858 Posts
Brazil
Reg. 2015-02-13

3DS Friend Code: 1134-9915-6680
"c r e b"
fuck
https://zenius-i-vanisher.com/simfiles/Z-I-v%20Summer%20Contest%202021/GO/GO-bg.png
GO
Paisley Parks

BPM 160
SH9/14 - SX11/17

Post #216 · Posted at 2021-07-01 04:56:44pm 3.9 years ago

Offline PenTA_
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United States
Reg. 2016-12-23

Nintendo Network ID: Quan_comicz00
YEEEEES PAISLEY PARKS MUSIC

Post #217 · Posted at 2021-07-01 06:19:17pm 3.9 years ago

Offline Silver Spirit
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Reg. 2008-09-14

Nintendo Switch Friend Code: SW-2249-7707-55923DS Friend Code: 2578-3309-2697
"i was born at a very young age"
Is it too late to join? I've been busy adjusting to a new job, but I'd like to participate if I can find the time for it Smile

Post #218 · Posted at 2021-07-01 09:29:22pm 3.9 years ago

Offline PenTA_
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247 Posts
United States
Reg. 2016-12-23

Nintendo Network ID: Quan_comicz00

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/360586311939391492/860028794122272778/unknown.png
I even remade the SDVX jacket by hand just to reference its popn banner

Post #219 · Posted at 2021-07-01 09:56:14pm 3.9 years ago

Offline KexMiX
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United States
Reg. 2019-01-25

"I do DDR things sometimes"
Quote: Silver Spirit
Is it too late to join? I've been busy adjusting to a new job, but I'd like to participate if I can find the time for it Smile

You're in! Yeah, I'm not limiting when anyone can join, just as long as it's before the VIP Room
https://zenius-i-vanisher.com/simfiles/Kex's%20Sim%20Collection/Kex's%20Sim%20Collection.png?1588275844

Post #220 · Posted at 2021-07-02 06:45:42am 3.9 years ago

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