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Post #1 · Posted at 2018-04-29 07:31:39pm 5.9 years ago

Offline rayword45
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I think a fair amount of people on this board know about this site, but then a fair amount don't.

This is an alternative to the DDRCommunity Tier List that relies on user input for its ratings. I prefer this one due to the community average aspect, the fact that it ranks both passing and scoring difficulty and general accuracy (I still don't understand how 888 ESP and Pluto Relinquish DSP are 14.8s, yet Samurai Shogun is a 14.4 and 放課後ストライド is a 14.5), but what I don't like is the lack of ratings for songs below 15. Hopefully this thread will boost up some interest in it.

Post #2 · Posted at 2018-04-29 11:03:39pm 5.9 years ago

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The lack of ratings for >15s is just because differentiating them becomes less important the lower difficulty you go. Easy 14s and hard 14s aren't that far apart compared to, say, NGO Challenge and IX Challenge.
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Post #3 · Posted at 2018-04-30 01:52:39am 5.9 years ago

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That site is broken and undermanaged. Some charts flat out have the wrong ratings.
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Post #4 · Posted at 2018-04-30 02:51:01am 5.9 years ago

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That site is broken and undermanaged. Some charts flat out have the wrong ratings.

Then fix it by adding more ratings. Easy.

Post #5 · Posted at 2018-04-30 03:07:31am 5.9 years ago

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The reason ddrcommunity bases ratings on timing difficulty is because passing difficulty is far more subjective

Post #6 · Posted at 2018-04-30 03:21:34am 5.9 years ago

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That site is broken and undermanaged. Some charts flat out have the wrong ratings.

Then fix it by adding more ratings. Easy.
I mean there's charts sitting in the wrong level. For example, 30 Lives (Up-Up-Down-Dance Mix) D-Heavy is in with the 12s. The site won't let you add anything outside 2 levels of that. You can't fix that by adding anything.
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Post #7 · Posted at 2018-04-30 03:28:57am 5.9 years ago

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The reason ddrcommunity bases ratings on timing difficulty is because passing difficulty is far more subjective

This has both, and fair enough to a point but still, you can't say MeiChallenge and Anti-MatterChallenge are as hard as IXChallenge or TMEChallenge. Or that On The BounceHeavy and Shiny World Heavy are as hard as VegaHeavy or Samurai Shogun vs Ninja MasterHeavy.

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That site is broken and undermanaged. Some charts flat out have the wrong ratings.

Then fix it by adding more ratings. Easy.
I mean there's charts sitting in the wrong level. For example, 30 Lives (Up-Up-Down-Dance Mix) D-Heavy is in with the 12s. The site won't let you add anything outside 2 levels of that. You can't fix that by adding anything.

okay yeah i cant say anything to this one lol, idk who even runs the site

Post #8 · Posted at 2018-04-30 04:48:21pm 5.9 years ago

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I actually prefer this tier list to the DDR community one for all of the reasons you listed. I'd like to add some ratings for lower level songs, but like Mr. Music said it's subjective and I don't want to potentially throw off certain ratings because I need to practice at certain songs.
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Post #9 · Posted at 2018-04-30 05:56:27pm 5.9 years ago

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I'd also like to add that while it's easy to say "kouen is harder than valkyrie dimension difficult", it's very hard to rate them in the context of every 15

Post #10 · Posted at 2018-04-30 06:26:20pm 5.9 years ago

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I actually like the recent changes to the DDRCommunity list. It actually seems to be trying to gear itself towards difficulty rather than "How many tries will it take you to PFC this?".
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Post #11 · Posted at 2018-05-01 04:47:27am 5.9 years ago

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The 15s alone make me not even wanna consider taking this list that seriously.

I just like how ddrcommunity literally encourages feedback and instead people just make a completely different list that is filled with glaring problems. How is remain easier to score on than cosmic hurricane? In what universe is spanish snowy dance a 16? Beautiful Dream is nowhere near a 15.8 to score on. VDO is absolutely not a 14.9 to score on. I could keep going just on this one rating block, never mind others with like VANESSA 16 being rated harder than Trim 16 or Saturn being a """"baseline"""" 13
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I just like how ddrcommunity literally encourages feedback and instead people just make a completely different list that is filled with glaring problems.

As one of the people who help to manage that tier list, I cannot stress enough how accurate this statement is.
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Post #13 · Posted at 2018-05-01 05:34:10pm 5.9 years ago

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I just like how ddrcommunity literally encourages feedback and instead people just make a completely different list that is filled with glaring problems.

As one of the people who help to manage that tier list, I cannot stress enough how accurate this statement is.

Please fix the 14s the glaring WTF of Samurai Shogun is bothering me

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The 15s alone make me not even wanna consider taking this list that seriously.

I just like how ddrcommunity literally encourages feedback and instead people just make a completely different list that is filled with glaring problems. How is remain easier to score on than cosmic hurricane? In what universe is spanish snowy dance a 16? Beautiful Dream is nowhere near a 15.8 to score on. VDO is absolutely not a 14.9 to score on. I could keep going just on this one rating block, never mind others with like VANESSA 16 being rated harder than Trim 16 or Saturn being a """"baseline"""" 13

1. This list has been around a while
2. Is there an inherent problem to having two lists? How many alternative tier lists exist for Smash?
3. If you see glaring errors, they can be fixed with your input and others, that's the point. This is especially true of sub-16s and newer songs which often have 0-2 inputs
4. Hell yeah Spanish Snowy Dance is a goddamn 16, andI score way better on Trim than Vanessa

Post #14 · Posted at 2018-05-02 04:31:25pm 5.9 years ago

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Will attempt to rate as much stuff as possible below x-scale 15, while also correcting bad onions on charts like CHAOS CSP, which is genuinely only hard at the end and nowhere else unless you have no idea where the stops occur.

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I could keep going just on this one rating block, never mind others with like VANESSA 16 being rated harder than Trim 16 or Saturn being a """"baseline"""" 13
I'll argue that some, if not most, people are better at fast, 8th stream focused charts (eh, Trim is partially this) than gallop focused charts. Granted, probably easier to mash through VANESSA than Trim, but harder to score on.
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Post #15 · Posted at 2018-05-02 05:28:54pm 5.9 years ago

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Will attempt to rate as much stuff as possible below x-scale 15, while also correcting bad onions on charts like CHAOS CSP, which is genuinely only hard at the end and nowhere else unless you have no idea where the stops occur.




There's a lot of shit in the 12 range that feels hilariously mis-rated when played. You have your work cut out for you.
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Post #16 · Posted at 2018-05-02 07:20:13pm 5.9 years ago

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I'm sure to have my fair share of questionable views on some 11s-12s, so criticism is welcomed on those opinions Puppy Face
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Post #17 · Posted at 2018-05-02 11:10:13pm 5.9 years ago

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I'm sure to have my fair share of questionable views on some 11s-12s, so criticism is welcomed on those opinions Puppy Face

Yeah can't lie, a lot of the ratings that are solely mine are probably wrong by DDR standards because I'm ass terrible at crossovers over, like, 300BPM 8ths yet have very few problems with footspeed otherwise. (Does anyone else think 888 is a bottom quartile 18? Anyone? Please agree with me on this one nobody else does)
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