Songs where the chart rating of Difficult is higher than Expert or Challenge

I know that sometimes is less than , but it's shocked me to see a few s which are greater than or equal to their and charts.


Sakura from Extreme has a with 11; it's is also 11.
STARS☆☆☆（Re-tuned by HΛL） - DDR EDITION - from SuperNOVA 2 has a 10 and a 9
Flight of the Phoenix from DDR X has a 7 and a 7


If you know any that are greater than (equal to not so much) their charts, post here.
Same goes for any(?) charts greater than their charts (but again, not so much equal to).

this is already discussed in the Interesting Little Things In DDR thread, i don't see it needing a whole new thread

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I doubt every song that would fall into those categories has been tracked down, even if it has been discussed previously...

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Well then. Guess you've spoken. Anyone else curious about this is just gonna have to dig it up in that thread, assuming all songs have been found.

Agreed with Sig. Just post these in the Interesting Little Things thread, there ain't enough examples to even fill out one page.

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Okay so I just visited that thread and there are ONE HUNDRED AND FOURTEEN PAGES.

Seriously guys, I think it's okay to have some specificity. Not everyone is aware of everything on every one of those pages.

Not when there's like, maybe ten examples in the history of DDR.

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See, this thread doesn't really need to happen because this can be found out with a simple database search:

All Levels Referred to Are Single
>=
1998 (4/4)
AM-3P (303 Bass Mix) (4/4)
CUTIE CHASER (Morning Mix) (3/3)
Daikenkai (4/4)
DESTINY (3/3)
Gekkou Chou (4/4)
GORGEOUS 2012 (4/3)
HAPPY ANGEL (4/4)
KISS ME ALL NIGHT LONG (3/3)
MOON (3/3)
Mugen (4/4)
rain of sorrow (3/3)
rainbow rainbow (4/4)
Ska Ska No. 3 (3/3)
Star Gate Heaven (3/3)
THE SHINING POLARIS (4/4)
TRUE LOVE (4/4)
under the sky (2/2)
>=
BRILLIANT 2U (6/6)
Funk Boogie (5/4)
>=
STARS -DDR EDITION- (10/9)
>= (Not including Shock Arrow charts)
bag (13/13) (Eh, kinda cheating since it's the same chart quantized, but whatevs)
BRILLIANT 2U (10/10)
DANCE DANCE REVOLUTION (12/12)
DeltaMAX (17/17)
DYNAMITE RAVE (12/12)
KAKUMEI (12/11)
SAKURA (13/11)
SUNKISS DROP (12/12)
TRIP MACHINE PhoeniX (15/15) (Thank you NewbStepper for catching this!)

Just thought i'd add, blondie girl from euromix 2 (possibly extreme i cant remember if it kept the same beginner chart) had a 3 -> 1 on beginner and basic.

Appending DDR Addict's post, here's that done on Doubles (X-scale). Again, a database search suffices.

>=
PARANOiA (13/11)
TRIP MACHINE (10/10)
DUB-I-DUB (11/10)
PARANOiA KCET ~clean mix~ (10/10)
PARANOiA MAX ~DIRTY MIX~ (12/11)
PUT YOUR FAITH IN ME (8/8)
Dragon Blade (11/11)
IF YOU WERE HERE (10/10)

>= (excluding Shock Arrow charts this time as well)
PUT YOUR FAITH IN ME (Jazzy Groove) (11/11)
革命 (11/11)
桜 (13/11)
Across the nightmare (13/13)
bag (13/13) - also a cheat, maybe
Dance Dance Revolution (12/11)
虹色 (13/13)
Fascination ～eternal love mix～ (17/17)
Pluto Relinquish (18/18)
TRIP MACHINE PhoeniX (16/16) [DDR Addict missed this one on singles (15/15)]

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Busy Child and are both 7.

I find that beginners and lights being equal is very common. I also find that heavys and challenges being equal or differential is common too. what i find UN-common are standards that are >= their respective and charts. additionally beginners and lights that are > than their respective and charts.

Update
Now I was only looking for being >= , not beginners and lights being > , but I managed to find three more


DDR A songs:
†渚の小悪魔ラヴリィ～レイディオ† 10 :9
COME BACK TO MY HEART 8 6
GORGEOUS 2012 4 3
Flight of the Phoenix 7 7
Funk Boogie 5 4
Heatstroke 8 8
Sakura 11 11
STARS☆☆☆（Re-tuned) 10 9

Past DDR Songs;
Busy Child 7 7


I think there still might be a few songs out there that we're missing, but that's probably 80% of them.

Before DDR X, songs on were primarily rated on their max BPM. For songs with BPMs <180, they were rated 1. For songs 180-250 or so, they were rated 2. Between 251-399 they were rated 3. 400 and above they were rated 4.

I may have these boundaries slightly wrong but that's the basic idea. So that's why there are some songs that are the same difficulty on and .

Interesting tidbit Astro, I did not know that. That makes a lot of sense.


Thanks to those that responded / 'allowed me to have a thread' -- I'm playing all the songs on Expert / Challenge and I wanted to play any charts that had the same difficulty or higher than the Expert & Challenge. On top of that, I figured it wouldn't be too much more work to play the handful of songs on and that have greater charts than their and , respectively.

Because this is such a busy place with so many discussions and this is just cluttering the board, right?

Anyway, I don't think songs like Flight of the Phoenix should count. The Oni chart is the Standard chart, but with Shock Arrows added.

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I didn't know that. For my purposes, I'm interested in it. However that's understandable if others feel it's not necessary.

I mean obviously it depends on the context. Some of the charts have shock arrows but are otherwise copies of another chart (such as Flight of the Phoenix). In those cases the ratings should maybe be compared to the ratings of the original difficulty (in this case, standard). However, in other songs (e.g. smooooch, heron, etc) the shock arrow chart isn't exactly a copy of another one. I guess it's up to your own interpretation if you'd consider them a "challenge" chart or even just an alternate "extra" one.

Ultimately it's just another gameplay round XD

Looking at the extreme songlist the boundaries seem about right, but its weird how on euromix 2 every song had a rating that completely contradicts any sort of system, like i said earlier blondie girl being a 3 on beginner and a 1 on basic but there are faster songs with lower difficulties and slower songs with equal difficulties. Odd but i can only assume that because EM2 had a few inconsistencies with extreme that they must have changed the system between the two games and re-rated everything.

That being said, destiny beginner on that game is a 3 and its basic chart is a 2 apparently according to the database as well.