Hardest 10 footer to date

This has most likely been brought up in the past, i haven't been here in awhile but which 10 footer is the hardest now.

My vote: Pluto Relinquish

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PRO is definately up there, but it seems to be slightly easier than FELMO. So right now, my scale says something like this...

1.FELMO - tons of jumps at 400 bpm
2.PRO - big ending stream
3.Dead End (GR Special) - 16th note jacks at 190 bpm
4.FAXXO - very streamy/full of voltage
5.HDVO - crossovers at 360 bpm

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I almost agree with deliriousXD

1. Pluto R O, this song just doesn't let up.
2. Felm O, jumps dotted 'round in a terrible mess
3. Paranoia H O, One long stream at 300 BPM before Dam, dam-dam, DAAAAAAAAM!
4. Faxx O what deliriousXD said
5. Healing-DV O crossovers + 360BPM = ouch!

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I would say:
1. Pluto relinquish Oni
2. Felm Oni
3. PH Oni
4. Dead end groove radar special
5. Pluto the first heavy
6. HDV Oni
7. Faxx Oni
8. Faxx Heavy
9. PSMO
10. NGO Oni

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Pluto Relinquish Challenge isn't that hard

It's actually easier than Pluto Relinquish Expert in some parts and the ending is just a faster HDV Challenge run so...

1) FELM Challenge (Hardest song for another mix, Yay! )
2) PARANOiA Hades Challenge (It's crazy ALL over, not just at the end)
3) Pluto Relinquish Challenge (You belong here, buddy. Thanks for playing.)
4) HDV Challenge (Your death run has been crushed. Sorry )
5) FAXX Expert (Why not Challenge? Because 30 extra steps and a crappier beginning does not a harder song make )

Doubles Charts...

1) PARANOiA Hades Challenge (Now THAT'S one hell of a doubles chart!)
2) Pluto Relinquish Challenge (Your death run won it here)
3) FAXX Challenge (...what were they thinking?)

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I reckon Fascination -eternal love mix- is the hardest. Pluto Relinquish oni is still hard (including the ending part). Dead End (Groove Radar Special) is definiately the hardest. Makes it impossible to pass.

FELM oni, just looking at the radar chart scares me (not literarly)

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Lesson by DJ. 8th taps at 120!
Oh, you said 10, not 1, sorry.

I have to agree with FELMDemon. I can't survive any long enough to really judge though.
Pluto the First has the highest peak speed though, 8ths at 440. Unless you count the two 16th gallops when NGOO gets back up to full speed.

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FELM Expert Doubles, PR Expert and Challenge have 16th gallops at 400 BPM. At that point, it's a jump as far as I'm concerned XD

I might just have a go at editing the FELM Challenge chart.

I'm going to see if I can keep the groove radar the same while spreading out the jumps at different points, not just throwing a shitload at you in a 10 second period at 400 BPM

I shall call it... an Air Special. :3

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Hardest song is opinionated. If you're crap at high speed jumps, FELMO is probably hardest for you. If you can't do PSMO-esque crossovers at high speeds, PRO is probably hardest for you. If your stamina is pretty bad, PHO is probably hardest for you. Those 3 are the hardest to pass IMO.

If we are talking about hardest to score on, NGOO takes the cake easily. The step-step-jump and jump-step-jump patterns are pretty hard to PA.

But this is my opinion so disagree at your will.

I'm afraid of Pluto Relinquish

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Pluto Relinquish ONI is HARDER then FELMO

Thats what i think.

Look at it.

Yes FELMO has jumps at 400bpm. But at most only 6 or something in a row.

Isnt that hard. Like MaxX Unlimited but faster really.

Pluto Relinquish's Oni chart has the most rediculous crossover stream EVER.

And at 400bpm.

Lets face it.

If someone were to play both songs. Never seen them before.

Which would they fail 1st?

Pluto Relinquish.

They would fail that way before it gets to FELMO's stoppy bit.

Quote: deliriousXD
PRO is definately up there, but it seems to be slightly easier than FELMO. So right now, my scale says something like this... 1.FELMO - tons of jumps at 400 bpm 2.PRO - big ending stream 3.Dead End (GR Special) - 16th note jacks at 190 bpm 4.FAXXO - very streamy/full of voltage 5.HDVO - crossovers at 360 bpm

Also just gotta say i think that is TOTALLY WRONG

i think it should be

1.PRO
2.FELMO
3.HDVO
4.Dead End
5.FAXXO


And it isnt TONS of jumps at 400bpm..its a few

and HDVO's crossover stream is alot harder then FAXXO....thats like saying HDVO is easier then FAXX on expert.

Because THEY ARE THE SAME CHART

Quote: FELMDemon

Pluto Relinquish Challenge isn't that hard It's actually easier than Pluto Relinquish Expert in some parts and the ending is just a faster HDV Challenge run so... 1) FELM Challenge (Hardest song for another mix, Yay! ) 2) PARANOiA Hades Challenge (It's crazy ALL over, not just at the end) 3) Pluto Relinquish Challenge (You belong here, buddy. Thanks for playing.) 4) HDV Challenge (Your death run has been crushed. Sorry ) 5) FAXX Expert (Why not Challenge? Because 30 extra steps and a crappier beginning does not a harder song make ) Doubles Charts... 1) PARANOiA Hades Challenge (Now THAT'S one hell of a doubles chart!) 2) Pluto Relinquish Challenge (Your death run won it here) 3) FAXX Challenge (...what were they thinking?)

Sorry FELMDemon but i dont think you can say PRO isn't that hard

Can you do it?

The only reason you think FELMO is harder is because you are bias.

Quote: riku_nakamura
Quote: deliriousXD 1.FELMO - tons of jumps at 400 bpm 2.PRO - big ending stream 3.Dead End (GR Special) - 16th note jacks at 190 bpm 4.FAXXO - very streamy/full of voltage 5.HDVO - crossovers at 360 bpm Also just gotta say i think that is TOTALLY WRONG i think it should be 1.PRO 2.FELMO 3.HDVO 4.Dead End 5.FAXXO

I love how you call it completely wrong when you barely rearrange it. Sure the ending streams of PRO are pretty damn hard, but streams are definitely easier than consecutive jumps in my opinion. Really though, everyone has there own strengths, and I feel more confident in streams than consecutive jumps. But let's just be sure to remember that everyone has their own opinions on difficulty, okay? Maybe we shold just consider PRO & FELMO even...

And on another note, I'm actually almost willing to put Dead End on top because of how ridiculously hard it is to FC. Everything else seemes to be far easier to FC than this The BPM changes aren't really the problem, it's the jacks, which are one of my weaknesses. >___<

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Quote: riku_nakamura

Pluto Relinquish ONI is HARDER then FELMO Thats what i think. Look at it. Yes FELMO has jumps at 400bpm. But at most only 6 or something in a row. Isnt that hard. Like MaxX Unlimited but faster really. Pluto Relinquish's Oni chart has the most rediculous crossover stream EVER. And at 400bpm. Lets face it. If someone were to play both songs. Never seen them before. Which would they fail 1st? Pluto Relinquish. They would fail that way before it gets to FELMO's stoppy bit. Quote: deliriousXD PRO is definately up there, but it seems to be slightly easier than FELMO. So right now, my scale says something like this... 1.FELMO - tons of jumps at 400 bpm 2.PRO - big ending stream 3.Dead End (GR Special) - 16th note jacks at 190 bpm 4.FAXXO - very streamy/full of voltage 5.HDVO - crossovers at 360 bpm Also just gotta say i think that is TOTALLY WRONG i think it should be 1.PRO 2.FELMO 3.HDVO 4.Dead End 5.FAXXO And it isnt TONS of jumps at 400bpm..its a few and HDVO's crossover stream is alot harder then FAXXO....thats like saying HDVO is easier then FAXX on expert. Because THEY ARE THE SAME CHART Quote: FELMDemon Pluto Relinquish Challenge isn't that hard It's actually easier than Pluto Relinquish Expert in some parts and the ending is just a faster HDV Challenge run so... 1) FELM Challenge (Hardest song for another mix, Yay! ) 2) PARANOiA Hades Challenge (It's crazy ALL over, not just at the end) 3) Pluto Relinquish Challenge (You belong here, buddy. Thanks for playing.) 4) HDV Challenge (Your death run has been crushed. Sorry ) 5) FAXX Expert (Why not Challenge? Because 30 extra steps and a crappier beginning does not a harder song make ) Doubles Charts... 1) PARANOiA Hades Challenge (Now THAT'S one hell of a doubles chart!) 2) Pluto Relinquish Challenge (Your death run won it here) 3) FAXX Challenge (...what were they thinking?) Sorry FELMDemon but i dont think you can say PRO isn't that hard Can you do it? The only reason you think FELMO is harder is because you are bias.

I am gonna have to agree. Though I am personally bias for PARANOiA myself.

Singles.

1) PARANOiA Hades Oni for the extreme drain
2) FELMO for the stamina drain, but the jump steps could be done with the heels.
Tied) FAXXO for having more/almost as much stamina drain but it's just like the expert chart on shuffle.
4) NGOO for the jump steps. Though...
Tied) HDVO for having that annoying ending as well as...
Tied) PRO. VERY easy until the death run. Seriously, it's not as tiring. But this, as well as HDVO, is #1 in the scoring department.

Doubles.
1) FAXXO. That's an annoying crossover.
Tied) PHO for being just plain silly.
Tied) PRO for being just plain ridiculous.
4) HDVO because I've heard it's not too friendly.
Tied) FELM. FELMO is easier somehow.

Biased? Okay...

Seriously, I don't know where to start.

Yes FELMO has jumps at 400bpm. But at most only 6 or something in a row.
Isnt that hard. Like MaxX Unlimited but faster really.
Pluto Relinquish's Oni chart has the most rediculous crossover stream EVER.
And at 400bpm.
Lets face it.
If someone were to play both songs. Never seen them before.
Which would they fail 1st?
Pluto Relinquish.
They would fail that way before it gets to FELMO's stoppy bit.

Take a good long look at PR Challenge's chart. Note the fact that it is calm except for the end. If the person was at all skilled at 10 footers, they would be able to get to the crossover stream of PRC with little problem. The only problem would be the freeze arrow tricks and trying to read the 32nd arrows at 100 BPM.

And how obvious is the 800 BPM part?

"Oh my, there is a huge gap or freeze arrow after the last step and this song is also a 10 footer. I wonder what will happen next?"

After the few jumps in the beginning, FELM Challenge starts a death stream starting from the middle of the first 200 section and lasting to the end of the 400 section. That's a good 20-30 seconds of constantly moving AND they throw jumps just to screw with you.

Then they go and throw jump-step-jump step combinations at you. At the part where it speeds up to 400 for 2-3 seconds, they throw 8th steps at you. You would never know that it would speed up unless you've played the song before.

They give you crossover stops and a nasty 16th run before speeding up again. After some galloping action, they throw triplets at you and the nasty jump-step-jump combos start. With that, there always one leg that will take the force which makes it harder to go onto the next set. I've had double leg cramps playing this song.

Freeze arrow tricks and then the world's worst ending. Jumps that go all over the damn place with 8th steps to screw with you.

Great job comparing MaxX Unlimited to FELM Challenge by the way.

HDV Challenge and PSM Challenge has a crossover stream comparable to PR Challenge.

And it isnt TONS of jumps at 400bpm..its a few

6 jumps in the first 400 section
28 jumps in the third 400 section
40 jumps in the last 400 section

IT'S ONLY A FEW JUMPS, AMIRITE?!

The only song that can be harder than FELM Challenge is PH Challenge.

That song has a nice 662 steps with jumps and a very, very nasty ending stream. With one jump to screw with you of course.

And I never said that PR Challenge wasn't hard. It's number 3 on my list and number 2 on my doubles list.

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Pluto Relinquish is also very hard on as Oni Chart. Why would KONAMI put the same steps in the chorus of the song as on expert. The ending makes it impossible to pass with 4 lives (like in Boss Rush Ver Sn2) with all that stupid crossovers and a large stream along with it and the arrows moved randomly than the ones in expert.

I have to say that PR is hard.

Fascination (Eternal Love Mix) is very hard with all that Jumps in the Oni Chart especially the ones going at 400BPM. That also makes it impossible to pass (with 4 lives apparently)

And Dead End (Groove Radar Special) is going hyper. Loads of 1/16th note jacks at speeds of 190BPM and the jumperjacks too (which i call it for jumps and jacks simutaneously). Really I can't be bothered to describe the rest i'm afraid but that's definately also impossible to pass on dance pad. I would do it on PS2 controller.

Probably for the rest.

Dead End is an interesting song to talk about... It really depends on what parts of it are hard.
I myself don't think it's a very tiring song, and passing doesn't seem like too much of problem, it's just getting a good score on it that is difficult.
Other 10 footers are, when passed, often with a pretty decent grade because you will have known the chart well. While you may know Dead End well, it's annnoying to play and ths double steps and other whacky problems will almost always throw you off.

But I suppose this discussion only gets harder when this is taken into account.

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Quote: riku_nakamura
If someone were to play both songs. Never seen them before. Which would they fail 1st? Pluto Relinquish. They would fail that way before it gets to FELMO's stoppy bit.

Okay, well, I certainly don't qualify as having never seen them before, but I haven't tried to dance FELMO since one night I was bored 4-5 months ago (before I could do 9's), and I haven't tried PRO before either, though I've watched the videos. Here's my scores from last night, all songs on C400:

PRO:
128 Fantastic
87 Excellent
100 Great
15 Good
21 Barely
25 Miss
I was about 75% of the way through the song, not far from the death run. FELMDemon is right, it's not too hard until you get to that death run. Only problem I had was stamina. The steps aren't that much worse than HVAM.

FELMO:
59 Fantastic
48 Excellent
68 Great
12 Good
10 Barely
19 Miss
As you see, I failed about 40% in. The jumps in the 400 sections are just murder, and I didn't even get to the hard ones.

PO: Image
194 Fantastic
118 Excellent
102 Great
23 Good
17 Barely
62 Miss
Got 85% through the song, then my stamina ran out. Then I remembered that I still had it on fail off, because I'd been watching charts while resting after FELMO. That's why my miss count is 62, the last 40 were at the end, after I gave up. Just need a bit more stamina, and I can do it.

I think FELMO is harder. It's crazy all the way through, and jumps are more tiring that crossovers.

I should admit that I have yet to pass a single (real) Konami 10 though.

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Since these seven seem to keep on popping up, I decided to index them in StepMania twice each (keeping the higher score) and rank them from my lowest score to my highest.

1. Dead End - 90.52
2. PRO - 92.78
3. HDVO - 94.95
4. FAXXO - 95.76
5. PHO - 95.77
6. FELMO - 96.57
7. NGOO - 96.92

As far as passing the songs this isn't toally accurate (HDVO is way easier than FELMO), but this list is pretty close to correct as far as which songs are harder to score on.

Also, lucky 333 post. :3

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Ok, fair points

each of us have different opinions

But FELMDemon, you cant seriously say youre not bias to that song.

Its your name, on your sig, and clearly your favourite song in the whole world.

I still go with my top 5.

For me, PRO would be harder to pass.


The reason FELMO's jumps dont scare me is because its only like 3 in a row, then some steps, then another 3, which isnt that hard for me.