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Post #1 · Posted at 2015-10-07 01:56:50am 8.5 years ago

Offline NicholasNRG
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I tend to hear people calling some charts a "low" or "high" # difficulty rating, obviously because some charts with a particular difficulty rating might be somewhat easier/harder than others. I'm very curious, which charts do you think are the easiest/hardest to receive a given difficulty rating?

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I'll start. I've heard some say PARANOiA Survivor MAXChallenge is the hardest 16-footer in the X-Scale, and that IXChallenge is the hardest 18-footer. Of course Valkyrie DimensionChallenge is the hardest 19. Which are the easiest, and what about other DDR foot ratings?

Post #2 · Posted at 2015-10-07 04:35:41am 8.5 years ago

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I'm sure everyone will come up with a different list (since difficulty is highly subject to opinion), which is probably what makes this thread any fun. Anyway, here's my take on this (DDR X-Scale):

Notes:
1. This is just for Singles, since I don't know double charts well enough to judge them comparatively.
2. By "hardest" I mean hardest in terms of passing difficulty, not scoring difficulty.
3. Assuming a normal life bar (as opposed to battery).
4. This is for what the charts are actually rated. I have an entirely different list for what I think should be the hardest or easiest chart for a given difficulty rating.

Below level 4, I have absolutely no idea. Everything below level 14 was really hard to pick, since I'm not even familiar with every single stepchart out there.


Hardest:
19: Valkyrie dimension Challenge
18: TRIP MACHINE EVOLUTION Challenge
17: EGOISM 440 Heavy
16: PARANOIA survivor MAX Challenge
15: roppongi EVOLVED ver.D Heavy [Those BPM gimmicks are a killer]
14: Electronic or Treat! Heavy
13: MAX.(period) Standard
12: Find The Way Heavy
11: SILVER☆DREAM Standard
10: 恋はどう?モロ◎波動OK☆方程式!!Standard
9: PARANOiA Revolution Light
8: AFRONOVA PRIMEVAL Standard
7: BRE∀K DOWN! Standard
6: BRILLIANT 2U Standard
5: ΔMAX Light
4: PRANA+REVOLUTIONARY ADDICT (U1 DJ Mix) Beginner

Easiest:
19: EGOISM 440 Challenge
18: Healing-D-Vision Challenge
17: ΔMAX Heavy
16: Engraved Mark Heavy
15: Romancing Layer Heavy
14: Adularia Heavy
13: Mind Parasite Heavy
12: MAKE IT BETTER Heavy
11: Shades of Grey Heavy
10: Malacca Heavy
9: MY SUMMER LOVE Standard
8: AFTER THE GAME OF LOVE Heavy [This took me the longest to pick]
7: ずっとみつめていて (Ryu☆Remix) Light
6: In The Air Light
5: MAX 300 Beginner
4: rainbow rainbow Beginner
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Post #3 · Posted at 2015-10-07 06:33:46am 8.5 years ago

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Here's my own, not as detailed, though:

Hardest
19: Valkyrie Dimension Challenge
18: IX Challenge
17: Egoism 440 Heavy
16: Blew My Mind Heavy
15: Roppongi Evolved ver. D Heavy
14: Pierce the Sky Heavy
13: deltaMax Standard

Easiest:
19: Egoism 440 Challenge
18: NGO Challenge
17: Saber Wing (AIHM) Challenge
16: Chaos Challenge
15: Romancing Layer Heavy
14: Adularia Heavy
13: Saturn Heavy

Post #4 · Posted at 2015-10-07 11:08:06am 8.5 years ago

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I really can only speak in terms of the old scale, and I also might be forgetting some things, but I personally think:
10: I think Valkyrie Dimension had an old scale rating on the Wii one? If not 888 I guess.
9: PARANOiA ~HADES~ Standard (Horribly misrated)
8: MAX 300 Standard (Honorable mention goes to SKA A GO GO Standard because seriously, if you can't at least bullcrap the crossovers of Heavy, you CANNOT do two 16th streams)
7: Maybe R3 Heavy?
Dunno about anything lower, and I also could be wrong since I haven't played everything on pad yet.

Post #5 · Posted at 2015-10-07 02:05:37pm 8.5 years ago

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I really can only speak in terms of the old scale, and I also might be forgetting some things, but I personally think:
10: I think Valkyrie Dimension had an old scale rating on the Wii one? If not 888 I guess.

Nope, VD's only CS appearance used X-scale only. Also, Hades Standard is actually an 8 on the SN2 scale. You can say without a doubt Heavy is a horribly-misrated 9, though!

Post #6 · Posted at 2015-10-07 08:49:49pm 8.5 years ago

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Fascination ~eternal love mix~Beginner is probably the most overrated 4 footer in the old scale. It's a 9 on new scale. Pluto RelinquishBeginner is also one of the easiest 5-footers I've seen in the new scale.

Post #7 · Posted at 2015-10-07 09:09:36pm 8.5 years ago

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Fascinaon ~eternal love mix~Beginner is probably the most overrated 4 footer in the old scale. It's a 9 on new scale. Pluto RelinquishBeginner is also one of the easiest 5-footers I've seen in the new scale.

I'll add a few more that I thought were funny:
Pluto the First Beginner is rated an 8 on the new scale, but on Hottest Party 3, it was rated a 3.

CHAOS Light is just hilarious; on the new scale, it is rated an 8. On SuperNOVA-SuperNOVA2, it was a 9. Tongue
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Post #8 · Posted at 2015-10-08 10:35:14am 8.5 years ago

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Lv. Hardest - Easiest
19. Valkyrie DimensionChallenge- Egoism440Challenge
18. Paranoia RevolutionHeavy - NGOChallenge
17. Egoism440 Heavy - Magnetic Challenge
16. Monkey Business Challenge - Chaos Challenge
15. Roppongi D Heavy - Rainbow Flyer Heavy
14. 888 Heavy - Chaos Heavy/Adularia Heavy
13. Delta Max Standard - Mind Parasite Heavy
12. Max Unlimited Standard - Make it Better Heavy

Removed Songs
9. Cartoon Heroes Heavy - Twilight Zone Heavy
8. Witch Doctor Heavy - Cow Girl Heavy
7. Dam Dariram KCP mix Heavy - 5.1.1 Heavy

Post #9 · Posted at 2015-10-08 01:46:10pm 8.5 years ago

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Lv. Hardest - Easiest
19. Valkyrie DimensionChallenge- Egoism440Challenge
18. Paranoia RevolutionHeavy - NGOChallenge
17. Egoism440 Heavy - Magnetic Challenge
16. Monkey Business Challenge - Chaos Challenge
15. Roppongi D Heavy - Rainbow Flyer Heavy
14. 888 Heavy - Chaos Heavy/Adularia Heavy
13. Delta Max Standard - Mind Parasite Heavy
12. Max Unlimited Standard - Make it Better Heavy

Removed Songs
9. Cartoon Heroes Heavy - Twilight Zone Heavy
8. Witch Doctor Heavy - Cow Girl Heavy
7. Dam Dariram KCP mix Heavy - 5.1.1 Heavy
I'm assuming singles based on your other picks, but MAXX UNLIMITED S-Standard is a 13.
Also, what is rainbow flyer Heavy doing up in the 15s? Happy
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Post #10 · Posted at 2015-10-08 02:50:40pm 8.5 years ago

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Romancing Layer*** (typo sorry) and I didn't noticed Maxx Unlimited become 13 (I think its 12 previously)

Post #11 · Posted at 2016-03-10 09:12:41pm 8.1 years ago

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Hardest
19 - Valkyrie Dimension Challenge
18 - IX Challenge
17 - Egoism 440 Heavy
16 - Poochie Heavy
15 - Condor Challenge
14 - Awaodori Heavy
13 - Delta Max Standard

Easiest
19 - Egoism 440 Challenge
18 - NGO Challenge
17 - Delta Max Heavy
16 - Mei Heavy
15 - Romancing Layer Heavy
14 - Possession Standard
13 - Mind Parasite Heavy

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Easiest
14 - Possession Standard

Really? That's a shocker Shocked
The rest I can see why you would have picked them.
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I guess I picked that one because of how easy it is to score well on it once you're proficient at the chart - my high score is 994k on it, yet there's no other 14 I'm even close to getting an AAA for. But in terms of passing difficulty, yeah, I would agree it's definitely up there.

Now that I think about it, I probably should've made separate lists for hardest/easiest songs to pass and hardest/easiest songs to score well on, since those two can vary a lot. NGOChallenge and MeiChallenge are some of the easiest 18s to pass for many, but they're insanely difficult to score really well on.

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I guess I picked that one because of how easy it is to score well on it once you're proficient at the chart - my high score is 994k on it, yet there's no other 14 I'm even close to getting an AAA for. But in terms of passing difficulty, yeah, I would agree it's definitely up there.
Try Anti-Matter Standard, Shiny World Heavy, and like a bunch of others. You can probably AAA those more easily than POSSESSION Standard. As for passing POSSESSION Standard's difficulty is really high.

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Now that I think about it, I probably should've made separate lists for hardest/easiest songs to pass and hardest/easiest songs to score well on, since those two can vary a lot. NGOChallenge and MeiChallenge are some of the easiest 18s to pass for many, but they're insanely difficult to score really well on.
Agreed. This is one of the reasons I stated that my list was for passing, since I can't objectively comment on a player's scoring ability on a certain song. I don't really think MEI Challenge is particularly hard for scoring (or really that easy to pass) since there are a lot of arrows overall, and the only really hard part to be accurate on are those sideways crossovers 4/5 into the song. NGO Challenge can be really annoying to score, yeah, mainly because hitting jumps don't award extra points. That, and DEAD END ("GROOVE RADAR" Special) Challenge... yeah that one's passing and scoring and difficulties are on two totally different levels though.
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Yeah, and I think "scoring well" can even be further divided into difficulty in getting a AA and difficulty in getting a AAA or PFC. When I said Mei Challenge was hard to score really well on, I was thinking of how getting up into that AAA range is impossible if you can't master the afronova crossover part, but getting a AA is doable otherwise. (By the way, is that the fastest afronova crossover stream in the game? 16ths at 200bpm...not even Valkyrie Dimension reached that, since the main part ran at 186bpm.)

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Easiest
14 - Possession Standard

Really? That's a shocker Shocked
The rest I can see why you would have picked them.

Ditto with NewbStepper. For some reason, I've never beaten Possession Standard . It's the only 14 I've played that I've been unable to complete on a dance pad.

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Yeah, and I think "scoring well" can even be further divided into difficulty in getting a AA and difficulty in getting a AAA or PFC. When I said Mei Challenge was hard to score really well on, I was thinking of how getting up into that AAA range is impossible if you can't master the afronova crossover part, but getting a AA is doable otherwise. (By the way, is that the fastest afronova crossover stream in the game? 16ths at 200bpm...not even Valkyrie Dimension reached that, since the main part ran at 186bpm.)
I believe in terms of footspeed, yes, that is the fastest use of Afronova crossovers in an official chart, although there are several charts with similar patterns that come close. Thankfully, though, crossovers are composed of single arrows, and so players who are quick enough can cheese them by bracketing or double stepping really fast, so AAA rank on MEI isn't really the hardest thing ever, if I may say that. It's also how some people find Pluto Relinquish S-Challenge to be fairly simple, despite its reputation for being one of the most terrifying charts, even among 18 footers. The double Challenge chart is another story. POSSESSION Challenge, on the other hand... yeah that one is taxing on all levels.

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Ditto with NewbStepper. For some reason, I've never beaten Possession Standard . It's the only 14 I've played that I've been unable to complete on a dance pad.
12th note jumps. Especially toward the end. They can get really confusing the first few times you try the chart. I also found them very physically demanding. Just keep at it, you'll pull through eventually.
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Actually, scratch that for Mei having the fastest afronova crossovers - doesn't Over the Period Challenge have them as quarter notes at 840bpm (= 16ths at 210bpm)?

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12th note jumps
Are they really 12ths? They're slower than the quarter notes! I think they're like...3rds? I'm not sure.

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Actually, scratch that for Mei having the fastest afronova crossovers - doesn't Over the Period Challenge have them as quarter notes at 840bpm (= 16ths at 210bpm)?
Oh yeah, you're right. I forgot about that chart's ending.

APPEND: Since you mentioned Valkyrie dimension before, I think I also want to add that the ending has an 8th Afronova crossover that ends with that famous L/D jump, at 390 BPM, and for that particular gimmick (ending with the jump), it gets really close.

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12th note jumps
Are they really 12ths? They're slower than the quarter notes! I think they're like...3rds? I'm not sure.
3rds, haha! Yes, indeed, at 370 BPM, at least. They're equivalent to quarter note jumps at 277.5 BPM. I just call them "12th note" because they do fall on a 12th beat.
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