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Converting Doubles Charts to Single: Yay or nay?

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Post #21 · Posted at 2008-02-07 11:54:16am 16 years ago

Offline Goldensunboy
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But just don't keep the final stream though... try indexing the different parts of the song yourself, and if you find yourself using the same finger to hit two fourths (without 8ths in between) in a row frequently, you should revise those sections slightly.
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Post #22 · Posted at 2008-02-09 11:40:22am 16 years ago

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"o_O?"
I want to keep as much of the original chart as possible though. Neutral

I'll take a look at it though. From what I saw, its pretty tame except for the last burst of 8th's.

(And I'm not much of a one-handed player. It feels like I have no control like when I use two hands.)

Thanks for the help Smile

Edit: Finished converting the Basic and Standard charts. It's pretty cool. Plenty of freeze arrows Happy

Challenge will take a while though

Challenge charts are done! It's more tame at certain points but starting from the third 200 section, it's just one HUGE stream to the end. I need some insight on how I can make this more bearable. Annoyed
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Post #23 · Posted at 2008-02-09 11:57:40am 16 years ago

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Quote: FELMDemon
I need some insight on how I can make this more bearable.
Some advice that may help on making these charts bearable: Just try to index it and remove turns and crossovers that would put you in an awkward position while playing. If you are not good at indexing, go into edit mode and scroll through the song a few notes at a time (not necissarily playing the song, just stepping at your own pace to see where your feet end up), while imaginarily stepping the arrows with your feet. Make sure you alternate your feet, like using the left foot and then the right foot, and left again, etc. on stream. Alternate even if you have to hit the right arrow with your left foot or vice-versa, or if you have to turn away from the screen to physically make that alternating step. What you would be looking for are instances like that, so they can be removed or changed to something tolerable.

I made a simfile that you (FELMDemon) couldn't possibly resist playing (Tongue), but you should look at how I did the crossovers in there. If indexed or stepped with the feet, they don't put you in awkward positions. No spinning, either. I have a certain degree of dislike for most of the expert charts on 2MB's older (before SuperNOVA) songs with the spinning required to hit the arrows with your feet alternately. No matter how dense a chart is, it's never as bad as anything with steps 400+ BPM (or slower songs with 8ths or 16ths that cause the beat to be 400 BPM) with turns that either put you in weird positions or make you spin to hit the arrows alternately with your fingers or feet. See if that helps some, and try to edit the steps to see if that helps some. Smile
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Post #24 · Posted at 2008-02-09 12:03:38pm 16 years ago

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Although I am not much of a doubles player (can do 7 and 8 footer doubles) one song I thought
had much better doubles expert steps than single steps was My Only Shining Star. I kind of experimented with converting doubles to singles but nothing really good.

Post #25 · Posted at 2008-02-09 12:08:51pm 16 years ago

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"o_O?"
Quote: Goldensunboy
Quote: FELMDemon
I need some insight on how I can make this more bearable.
If you are not good at indexing, go into edit mode and scroll through the song a few notes at a time (not necissarily playing the song, just stepping at your own pace to see where your feet end up), while imaginarily stepping the arrows with your feet. Make sure you alternate your feet, like using the left foot and then the right foot, and left again, etc. on stream. Alternate even if you have to hit the right arrow with your left foot or vice-versa, or if you have to turn away from the screen to physically make that alternating step. What you would be looking for are instances like that, so they can be removed or changed to something tolerable.


Wow. That's exactly what I'm doing and it helps plenty. Unfortunately when most of the chart is one long stream with insane play-the-song-backwards-for-20-seconds crossovers, its hard to do. I don't want to make them look like jackhammer streams but it will take forever to make something bearable. Neutral


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I made a simfile that you (FELMDemon) couldn't possibly resist playing (Tongue)


I saw that. It's pretty cool Tongue

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Post #26 · Posted at 2008-02-09 12:40:21pm 16 years ago

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Even on long streams, just step a few arrows, remember which one you last stepped and which foot is on it, scroll down a little, and continue.

On a somewhat-related topic of stepchart cleanliness...

Keep in mind that there are some instances where you have the end of a stream, and the next one starts with a few up and down arrows, and the way the notes are positioned at the end of the first stream can cause you to start the second stream on a foot that would eventually end up in an awkward position, when the creator of the steps (you) intended for it to be started with the other foot. It's a little hard to explain.

Consider: LDURLDURL - UDUDLRL

You end up hitting the first stream (starting on the left foot, of course, noone's going to see that and start on the right foot), and end on your left foot. You would instinctively start the next stream with the right foot. However, when it comes to up and downs, our brains usually tell us it's ok to start a stream on them with either foot becuase they are between left and right and accessible to both feet, plus you won't see far enough ahead to know the consequences of starting it on the other foot. When you get to the "LRL" after starting the second stream on the right foot, you end up doing an awkward crossover that faces you away from the screen.

I prefer to avoid this problem by starting most of my streams on a left or right, or making it fairly obvious which foot to start it on if it's an up or down (2nd arrow is a left or right). If you don't want to mess with the original chart too much, however, this particular case could be solved by replacing the "LRL" with an "RLR". You would instinctively start stream 2 on the right foot, and no weird crossovers would occur.
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Post #27 · Posted at 2008-02-10 05:53:07am 16 years ago

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"o_O?"
There is one slight problem. Most of the song is one HUGE stream. I have to chain the entire thing without making people play backwards. I have to say, its hard but I finished the stream from the beginning to the stops! Happy

The only small problem is that you start the first gallop sideways but you straighten out for the next one. Galloping is just jumping with one foot landing earlier than the other anyway. Tongue

The stops are a different problem though... there is some crazy double stepping. I'm trying not to change it too much but it looks like I have to.

I think I'm going to make all of the arrows until the 8th stop left and right and the rest up and down so you have no idea when it pauses unless you've memorized the stops ;D

IT ALL LOOKS THE SAME! Dead

Sound okay?
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Post #28 · Posted at 2008-02-10 11:10:46am 16 years ago

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Damn! That's what I did for my fascination edit!! I thought I was the only one that came up with that idea!!! Oh well.Roll Eyes

Post #29 · Posted at 2008-02-17 09:36:09am 16 years ago

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"o_O?"
I uploaded the revised Expert chart! Happy

Most of the chart had to be reworked to remove the playing-backwards syndrome. However, the beat from the doubles chart is still there and some of the chart is still intact. Lots of turning though Tongue

Tell me how it goes and don't break your legs/fingers ;D
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