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Post #161 · Posted at 2019-09-30 07:43:23pm 9.5 months ago

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Awaodori IMO belongs to a large list of charts that are hard 14's, but not quite a 15, but these charts have been misrated into 15's. These are:

PARANOiA KCET CSP & CDP 15 -> 14
Electronic and Treat! ESP 15 -> 14
Sakura Reflection ESP 15 -> 14
Six String Proof ESP 15 -> 14
Samurai Shogun vs. Master Ninja EDP 15 -> 14
Drop The Bounce EDP 15 -> 14

Valkyrie dimension DSP 15 -> 14

IMHO the easiest a 15 should be is PARANOiA survivor ESP.
I'm sorry but no thanks. PARANOiA survivor is easily a lower middle 15, and it should stay that way because the gap between 14 and 15 was (and although not as much anymore, still is) a little too big. I don't mind some filler material in between.

Samurai Shogun vs. Master Ninja D-Heavy as a 14 would be especially downright horrible. The chart is extremely punishing if you don't remember which foot to hit the next arrow after a jump or where you have to reposition yourself. It's also far more tiring than it looks.

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Post #162 · Posted at 2019-09-30 08:04:30pm 9.5 months ago

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Why do you think it should be a 15? It does not have any of the qualities to be such a high rating. It's not overly draining, has hard movement, or anything that would throw off a player who just started passing mid 14's.

For me, the main feeling I felt after playing Awaodori is "it's hard to keep up with." Its constant flow of gallops paired with the tricky alternation between gallops that have to be hit on the same or different arrows make it hard to reorient yourself once you've lost your way. Not only that, but the song has some pretty fast streams or gallops compared to what you might expect. It throws you an extended 12th stream at 200 (equivalent of 150 16ths) into what becomes repeated gallops at 260BPM (equivalent of 195BPM 16ths). This blows patterns like ZEPHYRANTHES' or Shunpuu Blowing Wind's out of the water imo. Plus the song just sounds so damn disorienting. Perhaps there's a layer of subjectivity to all this, but I just can't see someone breaking into 14s clearing this easily.

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IMHO the easiest a 15 should be is PARANOiA survivor ESP.

Your observations may have been on point some time ago, but I feel that given the precedent A20's reratings and new songs have set the bar has been lowered significantly for 15s.

Post #163 · Posted at 2019-10-07 08:18:31pm 9.2 months ago

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Electronic and Treat! ESP 15 -> 14
Sakura Reflection ESP 15 -> 14
Samurai Shogun vs. Master Ninja EDP 15 -> 14

Valkyrie dimension DSP 15 -> 14
ahahahaha

no

Post #164 · Posted at 2019-10-13 04:36:50am 9 months ago

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I'm on the fence about this, but maybe ORCA D-Heavy 18 -> 17. It's my highest scored D18 by a wide margin, and I'm someone who has trouble clearing 16s on LIFE4. The gimmicks are the reason for the difficulty, but even with the gimmicks it's a 17.

Post #165 · Posted at 2019-10-13 08:36:08pm 9 months ago

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I actually agree - I think the only reason ORCA D-Heavy is an 18 is that it is very definitely harder than the S-Heavy 17 (there is literally no way to compare the two in which the singles is harder), so they rated it because of that.

THEN AGAIN, CHAOS TERROR TECH MIX D-Challenge SHOULD NOT BE A 17 BUT IT IS ANYWAY SO WHAT DO I KNOW

Post #166 · Posted at 2019-10-18 06:03:45pm 8.9 months ago

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Toy Box Factory SP-Heavy and Afterimage d'automne SP-Heavy should both be 15s.

Post #167 · Posted at 2019-10-18 06:55:02pm 8.9 months ago

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I seriously think KHAMEN BREAK Heavy is a 17, Not a 16. its too streamy for a 16 and kind of lengthy honestly.
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Post #168 · Posted at 2019-10-18 08:34:45pm 8.9 months ago

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What I mean is that So What Heavy 9 -> 11
I Know You Want Me (Calle Ocho) Heavy 8 -> 11
This is not X2 CS but Detroit Rock City Heavy 7 -> 8 (old scale btw since this is an HP3 exclusive license)
still my point is that early x-ratings were WHACK

Post #169 · Posted at 2019-10-18 10:33:33pm 8.9 months ago

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I seriously think KHAMEN BREAK Heavy is a 17, Not a 16. its too streamy for a 16 and kind of lengthy honestly.
Are you sure about this? There are many level 16 charts that are streamier than that one. GAIA Heavy is a respectable 16 and a perfect example of that.
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Post #170 · Posted at 2019-10-18 11:48:45pm 8.9 months ago

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I seriously think KHAMEN BREAK Heavy is a 17, Not a 16. its too streamy for a 16 and kind of lengthy honestly.
Are you sure about this? There are many level 16 charts that are streamier than that one. GAIA Heavy is a respectable 16 and a perfect example of that.

Illegal Function Call is like 10 times harder rhan Khamen Break, and both are 16s

Pd: Yeah, i was just exaggerating, but you understand hahaha

Post #171 · Posted at 2019-10-18 11:51:41pm 8.9 months ago

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Post #172 · Posted at 2020-04-22 10:39:40pm 2.6 months ago

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all r Heavy btw:
i just wanna say that stay (joey riot remix)'s is NOT an 7 (classic scale), it's an 8, ditto with i want your love (darwin remix)
reach the sky (orbit1 remix) is more of a 9 tbh
love like this is an 8 and is also a terrible chart this was NOT a good time for konami's look,,, also hey soul sister is more of an 7 tbh as well
according to you pushes to an 8 bc of the streams but the rest of the chart isn't too hard ig tho idk
downtown is extremely straightforward, it could be a 6 imo tbh but idk lol so
magic parade can get away with being a 11 on x-scale
dreamin' isn't a 9 on the x-scale, it's more of a 10 or 11 even, judging how clarity's charts go
desert journey pushes to a 13 on x-scale imo due to some of the jumps

Post #173 · Posted at 2020-04-23 03:53:41am 2.6 months ago

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Desert journey is the only one of those I've played but it's too forgiving and slow to be a 13 imo; it's fine as a 12

Post #174 · Posted at 2020-04-23 09:41:46am 2.6 months ago

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On the topic of CS songs,
who's the numbnut that rated Settin' the Scene Heavy a 6?

Post #175 · Posted at 2020-05-01 12:22:50am 2.4 months ago

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Afterimage d'automne Heavy

the most """""14""""" chart ever

Post #176 · Posted at 2020-05-01 07:16:27pm 2.3 months ago

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MEANING OF LIFE old ESP 6 -> 7
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Post #177 · Posted at 2020-07-03 10:31:01am 1.2 weeks ago

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I don't play doubles so it's all singles

Afterimage d'automne ESP 14->15
Bounce Trippy ESP 14->15
Voltississimo DSP 13->14
Puberty Dysthymia DSP 13->14
Ace for Aces DSP 13->12 (it's really easy for me idk)
Poochie DSP 12->13 (maybe)
Max 360 BSP 12->13
Valkyrie Dimension BeSP 9->10
Paranoia Respect DSP 12->13

Post #178 · Posted at 2020-07-03 02:14:12pm 1.2 weeks ago

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Bounce Trippy was just re-rated to a 15 in A20 PLUS.

Speaking of A20 PLUS:
DeStRuCtIvE FoRcE Heavy (13=>14)
HyperTwist Heavy (15=>14, singles only)
Last Card Heavy (15=>16)
Last Card Standard (12=>13)

Oh, and Toy Box Factory was perfectly fine as a 14.
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Post #179 · Posted at 2020-07-03 03:16:24pm 1.1 weeks ago

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Bounce Trippy was just re-rated to a 15 in A20 PLUS.
It did not. The D-Heavy was lowered from 15 to 14 though.

Perhaps you were thinking of Drop The Bounce.
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Post #180 · Posted at 2020-07-03 04:56:11pm 1.1 weeks ago

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9 pages and nobody's mentioned Akiba Drift yet? I think that's a new record for this type of thread.

append: honorable mention to Doki Doki (Panik Mix) Standard, which old-scale is a 4 but should be like a 7 lol. That shit's draining

edit: SIKE! apparently it's actually a 7 but is just rated a 4 on the official simfile.
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