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Post #821 · Posted at 2024-06-18 03:20:57pm 1.2 months ago

Offline SpyHunter29
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Quote: hollandaze
Dancerush could be THE rhythm game if Konami gave it a new version and put it in more American arcades. It has more casual appeal than DDR especially with the songlist and dance styles.
It would be if Konami hadn't nuked what few western licences were in Dancerush Stardom.

As for DDR, I don't think they need to re-rate any charts to level 20 just yet, since there are still so few 19s at the moment.
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Post #822 · Posted at 2024-07-08 09:37:04pm 2.3 weeks ago

Offline dandelion101
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I can’t believe Reflec Beat, Dance Evolution and Otocadoll are all shut down. They’re much better than Polaris Chord (aka “We got Project Sekai at home”)
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Post #823 · Posted at 2024-07-09 01:57:58am 2.3 weeks ago

Offline purplesanz
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I hate what DDR became after EXTREME (a few SuperNOVA songs were still ok, to be fair). The game lost its soul, its essence, its identity. All of a sudden there was no more Dancemania, no more Captain Jack, no more variety (hip-hop, R&B, reggae, dance, pop, bubblegum, rock, jungle, ska, disco, etc.), no more unforgettable soundtracks anymore, not even more NAOKI. No more people stomping their feet to the beat and no actual dancing either! It seems like nowadays is all about making the pads as slippery as possible, grab the bar and never let go, and slide your feet up and down as fast as possible over and over again, while listening to the same anime/HatsuneMiku/vocaloid-wannabe 90 % of the time. The arrows look hideous now, the background videos are almost completely gone, even the static backgrounds for each song seem to be gone. And the play area with the dark filter and ugly lines (markers) reminds me of the god damn Stepmania editor instead of DDR. What the hell happened here?

It wouldn't piss me off this much if it was just one of those "spinoff" mixes like Disney Rave or Mario Mix because with those, you know in advance what you're getting into. They could have called it Dance Dance Revolution ~Vocaloid Mix~ or Anime Anime Revolution and it would have been totally fine. But no, DDR 2014, A, A20, A20 Plus, A3 and now even WORLD, same thing over and over again.

Now don't get me wrong: I love japanese music and I have no problem with EDM at all. In fact, I remember we all DDR players used to get so excited when a new japanese song was introduced in the arcade, like Sana Mollete Ne Ente, Aoi Shoudou, BRE∀K DOWN! or hell, I even love Chikara from SuperNOVA!, and it was so fun to have them because they were part of something bigger, something good, something with a very clear and defined identity, which has now been lost.

Sorry about the rant, I know there will be some people who will probably disagree with me. It's nothing personal, I just needed to let it all out.
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Post #824 · Posted at 2024-07-09 03:01:50am 2.3 weeks ago

Offline hollandaze
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I think the kind of music being made in japan has shifted massively since the early 2000s so that's gonna be reflected in new mixes. I don't even think Vocaloid made it into DDR until 2013/14, MANY years after it got popular.

The biggest music shift in DDR has been the shift from dance-pop to EDM. But I'm pretty sure early DDR was basically just an product tie in for Dancemania.
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Post #825 · Posted at 2024-07-09 12:56:21pm 2.2 weeks ago

Offline Burtzman
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Quote: purplesanz
I hate what DDR became after EXTREME (a few SuperNOVA songs were still ok, to be fair). The game lost its soul, its essence, its identity. All of a sudden there was no more Dancemania, no more Captain Jack, no more variety (hip-hop, R&B, reggae, dance, pop, bubblegum, rock, jungle, ska, disco, etc.), no more unforgettable soundtracks anymore, not even more NAOKI. No more people stomping their feet to the beat and no actual dancing either! It seems like nowadays is all about making the pads as slippery as possible, grab the bar and never let go, and slide your feet up and down as fast as possible over and over again, while listening to the same anime/HatsuneMiku/vocaloid-wannabe 90 % of the time. The arrows look hideous now, the background videos are almost completely gone, even the static backgrounds for each song seem to be gone. And the play area with the dark filter and ugly lines (markers) reminds me of the god damn Stepmania editor instead of DDR. What the hell happened here?

It wouldn't piss me off this much if it was just one of those "spinoff" mixes like Disney Rave or Mario Mix because with those, you know in advance what you're getting into. They could have called it Dance Dance Revolution ~Vocaloid Mix~ or Anime Anime Revolution and it would have been totally fine. But no, DDR 2014, A, A20, A20 Plus, A3 and now even WORLD, same thing over and over again.

Now don't get me wrong: I love japanese music and I have no problem with EDM at all. In fact, I remember we all DDR players used to get so excited when a new japanese song was introduced in the arcade, like Sana Mollete Ne Ente, Aoi Shoudou, BRE∀K DOWN! or hell, I even love Chikara from SuperNOVA!, and it was so fun to have them because they were part of something bigger, something good, something with a very clear and defined identity, which has now been lost.

Sorry about the rant, I know there will be some people who will probably disagree with me. It's nothing personal, I just needed to let it all out.

It's another nostalgia rant, but that doesn't mean it's invalid.

I feel like DDR kept it's classic identity up until about X3. There's slowly been a shift from the game featuring "DDR music" to featuring "rhythm game music". Like, all rhythm games have the same style of music now and too much of it does seem a bit obnoxious. I am a fan of both styles though. I find older DDR's variety in music genres appealing, but I also love the new hard EDM styles despite the sacrifice in diversity. A majority of the anime / vocaloid / touhou music is a big turn off for me, though, and it did used to feel like the Japanese songs were "part of something bigger". Sadly, those of us who grew up playing the PS2 games aren't the target audience anymore.

But you can play how you want to play. The older songs still exist on newer machines. The newer songs still have easier charts on lower difficulties. For my tastes, there's a venn diagram where one circle represents fun, and the other represents high difficulty, and I find the sweet spot in the middle to be charts in the 13-15 range (with a few 16s), where I can swap between bar or no bar, and feel like a beast for passing harder songs.

Post #826 · Posted at 2024-07-09 03:26:43pm 2.2 weeks ago

Offline Wig :3
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Post #827 · Posted at 2024-07-09 04:26:12pm 2.2 weeks ago

Offline RenegadeJade
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Quote: purplesanz
I hate what DDR became after EXTREME (a few SuperNOVA songs were still ok, to be fair). The game lost its soul, its essence, its identity. All of a sudden there was no more Dancemania, no more Captain Jack, no more variety (hip-hop, R&B, reggae, dance, pop, bubblegum, rock, jungle, ska, disco, etc.), no more unforgettable soundtracks anymore, not even more NAOKI. No more people stomping their feet to the beat and no actual dancing either! It seems like nowadays is all about making the pads as slippery as possible, grab the bar and never let go, and slide your feet up and down as fast as possible over and over again, while listening to the same anime/HatsuneMiku/vocaloid-wannabe 90 % of the time. The arrows look hideous now, the background videos are almost completely gone, even the static backgrounds for each song seem to be gone. And the play area with the dark filter and ugly lines (markers) reminds me of the god damn Stepmania editor instead of DDR. What the hell happened here?

It wouldn't piss me off this much if it was just one of those "spinoff" mixes like Disney Rave or Mario Mix because with those, you know in advance what you're getting into. They could have called it Dance Dance Revolution ~Vocaloid Mix~ or Anime Anime Revolution and it would have been totally fine. But no, DDR 2014, A, A20, A20 Plus, A3 and now even WORLD, same thing over and over again.

Something about the phrasing here bothers me. It feels like willful ignorance to lump all the modern songlists together under "anime" and "vocaloid wannabe" and other such terms. Granted, I'm someone who does love Vocaloid, and Touhou, and all the other things they put in modern rhythm games, so my bias here is pretty obvious. You don't have to like it, I can 100% see why someone wouldn't care for what they're putting in nowadays, but to dismiss it entirely just for being a different style of music feels extremely unfair.

There is a point to be made about a loss in identity, though. I wouldn't go so far as to say it happened in SuperNOVA, I'd probably put it somewhere around DDR '13/'14. Plus, it's not even that the DDR games blend together, its that DDR's songlist now blends in with all the other rhythm games around it. I do wish they kept up a gimmick like Dancemania to help it stand out, especially in the modern rhythm game sphere.

Anyways, for my own opinion, I think Hottest Party was the worst thing to happen to the series visually and musically. Absolutely no soul anywhere to be seen, and we still have to deal with the fallout of all the originals they threw into it.

Post #828 · Posted at 2024-07-09 09:24:25pm 2.2 weeks ago

Offline hollandaze
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I've always felt like different Bemani games have had different styles of music, mostly. I could be oversimplifying this but:

Jubeat/Reflec were interchangable but had great variety in all genres

Gitadora and Nostalgia are self explanatory

Pop'n has more childish music and world genres

IIDX leans into EDM subgenres more

SDVX is denpa, dubstep, happy hardcore, and literally every vocaloid song

Dancerush is beat heavy EDM and shuffle music

Dance aROUND is garbage watered down Dancerush rejects

And with DDR, I agree that it's the one game that doesn't have it's own unique personality anymore. It could lean WAY more into disco and funk, songs that are danceable. But instead it's as Burtzman put it "rhythm game music".
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Post #829 · Posted at 2024-07-12 06:36:38pm 1.8 weeks ago

Offline knurd
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DDR SuperNova 1 and 2 US CS and DDR X US CS are good and my personal favorites X being my most favorite

Post #830 · Posted at 2024-07-14 10:39:46pm 1.5 weeks ago

Offline Landpaddle
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A larger songlist is not always better. Especially for a public game, having a songlist of 30 strong titles is preferable to a songlist of 40 with 10 being complete stinkers. Likewise, including too many songs of a specific genre or artist can pigeonhole your game or series into a certain public perception. Song choices need to be measured to keep the high ratio of hits-to-misses, similar to full albums, which are reviewed in terms of both their peaks and average quality.
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