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Post #1 · Posted at 2011-11-15 03:24:16am 13.6 years ago

Offline Braeden47
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Do you care if a file has other difficulties besides Heavy and/or Challenge?

Someone in another topic complained about many Bemanistyle files only having Heavy or Challenge. Most files on ITG sites are Challenge only.


Post #2 · Posted at 2011-11-15 03:41:56am 13.6 years ago

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To be honest, I don't care since it's the preference of the stepcharter. I can't chart for crap, so I appreciate any step chart made by someone. Although I do enjoy Standard charts since I can play them on a nearby ITG cabinet (my range is 7-easy 8s old scale DDR, so i'm not quite proficient in Heavy charts.)
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Post #3 · Posted at 2011-11-15 03:42:27am 13.6 years ago

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"Give me a steady beat."
If someone writes a Challenge-only simfile they can get away with it because Konami has done the exact same thing. That was originally the intent of Challenge as a difficulty. But if there's both a Challenge and Expert or just an Expert chart the simfile looks unfinished. A way to make it look better while only writing one or two charts is to employ Edit Data.

However, once StepMania can support a PIU Fiesta-like setup where it only displays the charts available and allows for there to be multiple charts in the same rank (such as being able to have two Beginner, a Difficult and three Expert charts on the same file without tagging anything as an Edit or the theme displaying holes where missing charts should be) the sooner I can accept a file only have certain charts.

tl,dr; It feels lazy and looks bad against fully-fledged files.

Post #4 · Posted at 2011-11-15 03:49:06am 13.6 years ago

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I think I illustrated it best when I submitted some sims in a contest here with garbage light charts. It was literally a few steps at the start and finish to raise the groove radar. No one noticed.

Post #5 · Posted at 2011-11-15 03:54:26am 13.6 years ago

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"Give me a steady beat."
It takes no effort to write decent Beginner and Basic charts.

Post #6 · Posted at 2011-11-15 03:55:40am 13.6 years ago

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I'd say the only case where I would care is when I'd expect somebody to be playing the lower difficulties frequently.

If I ever release a simpack with the intent of hacking it onto an ITG machine, or as a pack for the recreational StepMania-on-pad player, I'll fill out every difficulty (SP BeginnerLightStandardHeavy possibly Challenge, DP LightStandardHeavy possibly Challenge ).
If the song is very popular, I'll again be more likely to fill difficulties.
If it's just me or a few friends playing it, SP Challenge and/or DP Challenge.

In a selfish way, I'm less bothered by the absence of lower difficulties as I am about the absence of doubles charts in general
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Post #7 · Posted at 2011-11-15 04:13:57am 13.6 years ago

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It doesn't bother me as long as the chart is steppable. I came into the Stepmania/ITG scene really late, so my first experience with custom simfiles was the Puritanical Penis Pack. Not the most pad-friendly packs. lol
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Post #8 · Posted at 2011-11-15 04:14:19am 13.6 years ago

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I actually refuse to post any of my sims without a full set of difficulties. I actually have two or three that are pretty much ready except for that little detail.

Yet another reason why I only have two sims in my folder.

Post #9 · Posted at 2011-11-15 04:16:54am 13.6 years ago

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I've actually contemplated just created 4 charts, rating them and setting Light as the easiest one and so on, with no regard of "this is too hard for a light/standard" song.

Post #10 · Posted at 2011-11-15 04:43:52am 13.6 years ago

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"Give me a steady beat."
There has never been any definition as to what's too easy or two hard for a certain difficulty level in DDR as a whole. Only in relation to the other charts for the same file. So I believe that's a good way to approach it.

Post #11 · Posted at 2011-11-15 05:50:49am 13.6 years ago

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I'm OK with keeping Beginner steps out of any given sim, but honestly, I'm a sucker for completion. I like seeing Light, Standard and Heavy charts in a sim, and Challenge as a bonus. Like people have said, there's really no effort involved in making a Light or Standard chart (well... Standard, maybe), but for completion's sake I have a problem with leaving them out. There are even some charts that I deem WAY too easy to make Heavy that I'm pretty proud of and bump down to Standard, and there are others in DDR that I like playing Standard for, even if I can pass tougher charts on pad like VD. What I'm trying to say, though, is that I'm a meticulous prick and it's all a matter of taste, though sometimes having Standard charts can benefit a sim and having Light charts is HONESTLY no skin off the creator's back.

Post #12 · Posted at 2011-11-15 05:54:25am 13.6 years ago

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I thought we went over this, only Heavy/Challenge count.

Post #13 · Posted at 2011-11-15 06:55:31am 13.6 years ago

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With the exception of Hekiou -SAKURA unreal- and maybe another song I'm stepping by the same artist (due to their length), I always chart at least Beginner-Heavy because I don't want any novices to get annoyed at finding a simfile for a song they want but being unable to play it because it's too hard, as I know how that feels and still experience it now (though mostly with some keyboard files).
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Post #14 · Posted at 2011-11-15 07:07:45am 13.6 years ago

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I do complete difficulties to be more like KONMAI.

Post #15 · Posted at 2011-11-15 07:16:02am 13.6 years ago

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I do complete difficulties to be more like KONMAI.

So you're basically saying you make shitty charts as well?
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Post #16 · Posted at 2011-11-15 07:17:04am 13.6 years ago

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Post #17 · Posted at 2011-11-15 07:17:25am 13.6 years ago

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I do complete difficulties to be more like KONMAI.

So you're basically saying you make shitty charts as well?

Let me rephrase that, to be like pre-X KONMAI.

Post #18 · Posted at 2011-11-15 07:18:39am 13.6 years ago

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Pre-X had terrible charts too.

Post #19 · Posted at 2011-11-15 07:18:53am 13.6 years ago

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Not as many though.
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Post #20 · Posted at 2011-11-15 07:20:56am 13.6 years ago

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Quote: AeronPeryton
It takes no effort to write decent Beginner and Basic charts.
but its annoying to do a Standard chart since they're kind of the middle difficulty
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