Post #1 · Posted at 2010-07-21 07:50:24am 14.9 years ago
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Do you think there will ever be a song rated 19 or 20 on the X scale?
In X, songs maxed out at 18. The currently revealed songs in X2 max out at 18 also, though there might be some other boss songs or
charts that are 19's or 20's.
888 Oni from Universe 3 might be a 19, and Konami could have rated Dead End Groove Radar Special a 19 if they wanted to.
The scale might be intended to go from 1 to 18, but you can rate edit data on DDR X PS2 a 19 or 20.
I think there won't be any in X2, but there might be a 19 or 20 in the next mix.
In X, songs maxed out at 18. The currently revealed songs in X2 max out at 18 also, though there might be some other boss songs or
charts that are 19's or 20's. 888 Oni from Universe 3 might be a 19, and Konami could have rated Dead End Groove Radar Special a 19 if they wanted to.
The scale might be intended to go from 1 to 18, but you can rate edit data on DDR X PS2 a 19 or 20.
I think there won't be any in X2, but there might be a 19 or 20 in the next mix.
Post #2 · Posted at 2010-07-21 07:55:24am 14.9 years ago
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All in due time. Players will get better and songs will be harder.
Post #3 · Posted at 2010-07-21 07:57:01am 14.9 years ago
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I think they want to refrain from hurrying to fill the difficulty scale, because then we'll end up eventually seeing 20s that vary largely in difficulty, and then the difficulty scale will have to be extended or completely reworked again. I find it good that they're giving themselves some space, because the only other Bemani series that arguably does that is pop'n music, due to a lack of an explicitly stated difficulty maximum other than in the random menu.
Post #4 · Posted at 2010-07-21 07:57:50am 14.9 years ago
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They're not going to rush with bringing in a 19 or 20. They need to make sure this new scale lasts.
I believe one reason the new scale was brought in was to extend the scale a little to redefine how hard a 10 footer really is. Bringing in a 19 or 20 this quick would eventually put Konami back in this position again faster.
I believe one reason the new scale was brought in was to extend the scale a little to redefine how hard a 10 footer really is. Bringing in a 19 or 20 this quick would eventually put Konami back in this position again faster.
Post #5 · Posted at 2010-07-21 09:47:32am 14.9 years ago
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most 18s are already horrible... i can't imagine how hard 19 or 20 can be...
ITG style...
ITG style...
Post #6 · Posted at 2010-07-21 09:52:29am 14.9 years ago
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18's are really bad stepped, cant imagine how bad stepped would be a 19 or a 20, prolly worse than NGO Oni?
Post #7 · Posted at 2010-07-21 10:05:49am 14.9 years ago
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maybe Pluto Relinquish "Groove Radar Special"... 
now it's up to Brosoni to AAA them...
now it's up to Brosoni to AAA them...
Post #8 · Posted at 2010-07-21 02:14:59pm 14.9 years ago
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I guess we'll have one(s) someday.
But I'm too scared to imagine how cruel the stepchart will be ..
But I'm too scared to imagine how cruel the stepchart will be ..
Post #9 · Posted at 2010-07-21 03:17:11pm 14.9 years ago
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Lv 19 and 20 by EDIT. We can make it for Pluto Relinquish (Just put tons of 16th notes from beginning until the end of song) 
To make it harder, all of steps = JUMPS.
Or it could called lv 100.
To make it harder, all of steps = JUMPS.
Or it could called lv 100.
Post #10 · Posted at 2010-07-21 04:02:27pm 14.9 years ago
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I personally think that the first 19 or 20 will be for doubles. Singles can only get so hard before it's crap (Dead-end Groove radar special)
Post #11 · Posted at 2010-07-21 05:21:10pm 14.9 years ago
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Maybe YES.
Just see.. If it's true,I'll destr-- *hi jump kick*
Just see.. If it's true,I'll destr-- *hi jump kick*
Post #12 · Posted at 2010-07-22 12:35:25am 14.9 years ago
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Yes they will. Why not soon ?
The ddr's charts seems more and more solid (in terms of quality) now.
I know what you mean guys by saying "If they made 20 they are screwed with the scale". Yeah, you can thing that but...
...why they could not make a 21 or 22 after ? It's just a number, they are not limited.
The scale was 1-9 until 6th mix right ? Then they just changed the limit to 10 instead of 9.
Also, 18' like Dead End Groove Radar shouldn't exist. Difficulty is over 20 imo because it's just pure garbage.
But hey, hardest song was 18 already, so they put that 18. Serioulsy, i couldn't have rate that "kind" of stepchart is someone asked me for because nobody wants to play this.
The ddr's charts seems more and more solid (in terms of quality) now.
I know what you mean guys by saying "If they made 20 they are screwed with the scale". Yeah, you can thing that but...
...why they could not make a 21 or 22 after ? It's just a number, they are not limited.
The scale was 1-9 until 6th mix right ? Then they just changed the limit to 10 instead of 9.
Also, 18' like Dead End Groove Radar shouldn't exist. Difficulty is over 20 imo because it's just pure garbage.
But hey, hardest song was 18 already, so they put that 18. Serioulsy, i couldn't have rate that "kind" of stepchart is someone asked me for because nobody wants to play this.
Post #13 · Posted at 2010-07-22 10:20:29am 14.9 years ago
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I still think the scale with continue to max out at 18. Anything past an 18 is just retarded at that point, because seriously the charts become so bad that the game no longer becomes enjoyable. Maybe if the songs were stamina driven, then it would be understandable, but considering Konami has yet to get over an 18 after two releases I just don't think its gonna happen.
Post #14 · Posted at 2010-07-22 10:46:26am 14.9 years ago
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Quote: PanStyle
I know what you mean guys by saying "If they made 20 they are screwed with the scale". Yeah, you can thing that but...
...why they could not make a 21 or 22 after ? It's just a number, they are not limited.
Well, it's not just a number, but a colour too. 1-10=Yellow, 11-20=Red, 21-30=another colour(Black or Purple?)...why they could not make a 21 or 22 after ? It's just a number, they are not limited.
I think that the 21's and 22's are going to actually start coming. Not now obviously, but maybe in a couple of years. They'd just need REALLY amazing step chart artists so that the charts would be hard, but not crap. It'd be pretty hard to make them with only 4 panels, so why not with the 8 panel mode for the 360/PS3? Imagine all the fun people are gonna start to have with that...
Post #15 · Posted at 2010-07-22 11:00:42am 14.9 years ago
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No stepchart artist will make a playable 20. Calling it any higher than a 20 is just saying this is an unplayable mess.
The only real way to make a song harder is by making/choosing a song that's longer. Stamina and difficult yet reasonable patterns will be at work instead of crossover-jump spam.
The only real way to make a song harder is by making/choosing a song that's longer. Stamina and difficult yet reasonable patterns will be at work instead of crossover-jump spam.
Post #16 · Posted at 2010-07-22 11:01:05am 14.9 years ago
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Something people keep saying is that charts 18 or above are garbage, but just because Konami hasn't really made a good one yet doesn't mean it can't be done. I hate to use ITG as an example, but Pandemonium is an example of a song that is mind numbing hard (would be a 19 imo) but is still a pretty good chart. Konami just needs to stop doing stupid crap like Trigger Challenge.
Also, Dead End GRS isn't stupid because it's too hard, it just has very poor step placement. Stuff that is better but also harder than it is entirely possible, so it shouldn't be used as an example of why there should never be a song above 18.
Also, Dead End GRS isn't stupid because it's too hard, it just has very poor step placement. Stuff that is better but also harder than it is entirely possible, so it shouldn't be used as an example of why there should never be a song above 18.
Post #17 · Posted at 2010-07-23 11:54:56pm 14.9 years ago
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Quote: -Viper-
Something people keep saying is that charts 18 or above are garbage, but just because Konami hasn't really made a good one yet doesn't mean it can't be done.
I couldn't have said this better When people thinks about 18' x scale, they have in mind ddr-ish 18. Some itg officals/rebirth are 18/18+ and are really good chart (also, some customs songs are really really good. And it's not always stamina/stream charts).
Also, you can make a crappy 8' and a kick ass 19'. This just depend on your step placement, ideas, ect.
Post #18 · Posted at 2010-07-27 12:17:04pm 14.9 years ago
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I've created an edit on Ubertreffen that I might think a 20, though I'm hesitant to post it in my simfile category at this point, because it still feels a little sloppy to me when I play it...follow the harpsichord and piano bits faithfully in that song, and you'd have something as monstrous as any ITG 12 or 13, but without needless jumps and ridiculous speeds like those found in FELM or NGO.
But, that's just an aside. I've been wondering about this, too, and I agree that 888 could be a 19 if it were rated by the new standard, since the voltage is unprecedented anywhere in DDR. Just for the fun of analysis, I once compared the the boss songs by boiling them down to a steps-per-minute number, and 888 beat all of the rest.
Not like I could dance them if there were official 19s and 20s, though...I seem to have capped out at around 16, blast it...
FELM or NGO.But, that's just an aside. I've been wondering about this, too, and I agree that 888 could be a 19 if it were rated by the new standard, since the voltage is unprecedented anywhere in DDR. Just for the fun of analysis, I once compared the the boss songs by boiling them down to a steps-per-minute number, and 888 beat all of the rest.
Not like I could dance them if there were official 19s and 20s, though...I seem to have capped out at around 16, blast it...
Post #19 · Posted at 2010-07-27 12:29:07pm 14.9 years ago
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Xepher still not hard enough.
You can add more 16th motes exactly like on IIDX 12th style.
That enough to make lv 19 or 20 really happen without waiting for new lv 19 or 20 songs.
still not hard enough.You can add more 16th motes exactly like on IIDX 12th style.
That enough to make lv 19 or 20 really happen without waiting for new lv 19 or 20 songs.
Post #20 · Posted at 2010-07-27 12:45:22pm 14.9 years ago
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except id rather not play iidx with my feet