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StepMania 5.3 "OutFox" (preview)

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Post #1 · Posted at 2019-01-26 06:18:24pm 5 months ago

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Some of you have probably been wondering what's been going on with StepMania lately. Well, right now, in private, me and some other new developers have been working on the first stage of a major overhaul - which we (in the grand tradition of giving rhythm game releases increasingly elaborate subtitles) have dubbed OutFox.

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The main focuses right now are:

A. Going through the backend C++ code and optimizing it better. A lot of this code is literally ancient history, especially the graphics engine. Uncapped FPS is our main metric.

One of our coder's main benchmarks is a joke simfile that is just a gigantic mess of notes, played at 2.0x rate. You might have seen previous videos of "impossible" SM files where the autoplay misses; here, it doesn't, at all.

B. Improving graphical fidelity

C. A default theme with more functionality out of the box than before. (one of them, as seen above, is character stages)

The team has a dev blog and changelog here; a few recognizable names are involved as well, including Mr. ThatKid, Jousway, and Jose among others.

We plan to have a public beta build out sometime next month.
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Post #2 · Posted at 2019-01-26 06:30:48pm 5 months ago

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Man, this looks freaking epic.
Glad to see StepMania is still in active development.

On a slightly different, (maybe) unrelated note...

https://i.imgur.com/neJj9cx.png

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Post #3 · Posted at 2019-01-26 07:03:11pm 5 months ago

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Man, this looks freaking epic.
Glad to see StepMania is still in active development.

On a slightly different, (maybe) unrelated note...

https://i.imgur.com/neJj9cx.png

Thanks for putting my lil' boi Kagamine Len there. Big Grin

lol. I made that model for StepMania a couple of months ago, but I (and the rest of the team) use it a lot (along with other ones I made) for testing character features.

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Post #4 · Posted at 2019-01-26 09:23:33pm 5 months ago

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In case you're wondering:

1. The "wicked" is produced by a timing mode called ECFA (an ITG tournament format that adds a tighter window above the usual Fantastic window). You can actually pick between various timing window sets in the player settings menu.

2. And yes, we added judgement selection too like SL. Unlike SL, it's theme-independent: loads them from a separate folder outside of the theme.
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Post #5 · Posted at 2019-01-26 11:36:34pm 5 months ago

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Thank you, all of you, for continuing to work on this.

Post #6 · Posted at 2019-01-27 01:46:57am 5 months ago

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Excellent news; I was beginning to get worried again.

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One of our coder's main benchmarks is a joke simfile that is just a gigantic mess of notes, played at 2.0x rate. You might have seen previous videos of "impossible" SM files where the autoplay misses; here, it doesn't, at all.

Most of those autoplay miss videos were recorded on 3.9 though (I remember SM5's autoplay being much better).

As for benchmark files, I'm partial to x-Aria off Splash Mix 3 if you want to expand your collection (it's packed with BPM changes).

Post #7 · Posted at 2019-01-27 03:23:58am 5 months ago

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One of our coder's main benchmarks is a joke simfile that is just a gigantic mess of notes, played at 2.0x rate. You might have seen previous videos of "impossible" SM files where the autoplay misses; here, it doesn't, at all.

See if you can get AutoPlay to get through the joke simfile "Dear Arch," another impossible SM file.

Post #8 · Posted at 2019-01-27 04:08:12am 5 months ago

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I'm pretty sure the file rytak made is worse than Dear Arch. Especially given that all the settings he used (C5 speed mod, 2.0x rate) basically put the entire mass of arrows on screen at once.

However we do not want 5.3 to be forever known as "the SM version whose autoplay can pass Dear Arch".
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One of our coder's main benchmarks is a joke simfile that is just a gigantic mess of notes, played at 2.0x rate. You might have seen previous videos of "impossible" SM files where the autoplay misses; here, it doesn't, at all.

See if you can get AutoPlay to get through the joke simfile "Dear Arch," another impossible SM file.

Like I said above, SM5's autoplay is much better than that in 3.9, and Dear Arch isn't even that dense (relatively speaking). I dredged up an old copy I had lying around and it perfected the song with minimal framedrops. (SM4 alpha 5, meanwhile, got lots of NGs on the freeze arrows but hit everything else.)

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I would like to see something more impossible than Dear Arch or even rytak's file for testing purposes.

On a side note, keep up the good work on the OutFox project and never stop making things epic! I appreciate what you all are doing with this work of art! StepMania development really has come a long way...

Post #11 · Posted at 2019-01-27 06:25:54pm 4.9 months ago

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But like I said, it is not just about this.
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Very cool!
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Maybe I should record Dear Arch on sm-ssc

A long time ago someone added a replay saving feature, where the game would save information on timing and judgement for each note in the song as well as some metadata to an XML file. This feature was apparently left unfinished and forgotten, and when years later people started putting judgement scatterplots on their results screens the data was collected in-theme using Lua. To me it seems a waste to collect all that data only for the theme to collect it all over again, so I was wondering if there were any plans to do something about this.

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I'd name the FA+ window "Outstanding"

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which we (in the grand tradition of giving rhythm game releases increasingly elaborate subtitles) have dubbed OutFox.

What if these subtitles became "episodes" titles, like IIDX is doing for years ?

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what will the requerements be?
will it run on my stone age PC?

Wait, RPi support??!!? Woohoo!

Post #17 · Posted at 2019-02-27 03:50:10pm 3.9 months ago

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I'd name the FA+ window "Outstanding"
perhaps that could be the ITG name for it...
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Just going to ask, but will it be possible to program multiple story modes like that of DDR Mario Mix?

Also, will there be a new model structure standard for this new release? Will there be model conversion standards from the old to the new as well?

Regardless, I will be looking forward to this. Keep up the good work.

Post #19 · Posted at 2019-03-23 08:50:48pm 3.1 months ago

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First of all, aren't story modes already possible through complex theme and simfile LUA? Like in UPSRT?


And then for the models, I don't know if anything much is changing, but perhaps models in SM5-based modded files will still work in 5.3. I still think it's best a developer answer this one, but that's what I'm thinking is going to happen based on what the developers have been doing to 5.3 that I've seen.

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