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Post #1 · Posted at 2018-08-02 03:27:17am 5.6 years ago

Offline Zowayix
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Does anyone remember the StepMania Complete CD-ROM (archive link)? It hasn't been available for about five years now, but I'm trying to reconstruct what the contents were.

Unfortunately, it looks like any specific data on what the disc used to have is sparse. I was hoping someone here knew more about it. I'd ask on the StepMania Forums, but it looks like those have had minimal activity lately and I figured I'd have better luck asking here.

Looking at the archives of the page over the years, there seem to have been several versions of the disc with varying descriptions. Here's everything I've been able to find on my own:

2006:
Mentions one version with 39 songs. According to the FAQ this includes all songs listed on the "Download Songs" page. As of this year, that page has exactly 39 songs (23 from StepMix 1, and 16 not from a StepMix). So far so good.

2007:
Mentions three versions:
- StepMania Complete 1 with 39 songs
- StepMania Complete 2 with 128 songs
- StepMania Complete 1+2 with 164 songs

According to the FAQ the three versions are supposed to include
1) the "Download Songs" page from last year
2) the "Download StepMix Songs" page from this year
1+2) both pages together from this year.

Right away something's off, since the Download StepMix Songs page has only 97 songs. The Download Songs page (updated for this year) has 34 songs not from a StepMix. None of the 39 songs from last year have been removed, so at this time, the site has only ever hosted a total of 131 songs. What are the 33 mystery songs apparently added to SMC 1+2 to give it 164? What are the 31 songs apparently added to SMC 2 to give it 128? What's the difference between this 33 and this 31? I can find no information on any of these questions.

2008-2009:
Mentions three versions:
- StepMania Complete 1+2+3 with 213 songs
- StepMania Complete 3 with 94 songs
- StepMania Complete 2 with 98 songs

The FAQ says the three versions are supposed to include
2) the "Download StepMix 1 Songs" page as of last year
3) the "Download StepMix 2 Songs" page as of this year
1+2+3) the two StepMixes together plus "some of" the songs on the "Download Songs" page, as of this year.

This set is a mixed bag. Unlike last year, this time two of the descriptions actually look correct. The Download StepMix 1 and 2 pages include exactly 98 and 94 songs, so those versions are reconstructable. But there is no explanation for why SMC 2's description suddenly shrunk from 128 to 98 songs. Meanwhile, SMC 1+2+3's description implies that it includes the 192 StepMix songs, plus 21 songs not from a StepMix. But the "Download Songs" page lists 36 songs, with no explanation for which 21 are chosen.

2010:
Mentions two versions:
- StepMania Complete 2010 with "350+" songs
- StepMania Complete 1+2+3 with 200 songs

This is the weirdest one. SMC 1+2+3 has suddenly shrunk from 213 songs to 200 songs. Meanwhile a new version SMC 2010 has appeared out of nowhere. The FAQ is unchanged, so there is no explanation for SMC 1+2+3's change and no information on SMC 2010 at all, other than its song count. I cannot find a single place that even mentions what songs are on the disc. And what is the "+" supposed to mean? Either the disc has 350 songs or it doesn't; there shouldn't be any variation.

2011:
Mentions two versions:
- StepMania Complete 2010 with 350 songs
- StepMania Complete 1+2+3 with 200 songs

The + sign gets silently dropped from SMC 2010. There is still no explanation of what the 350 songs on the disc are.

2012-2013:
Mentions one version, StepMania Complete 2010 with 350 songs.

Looks like the site no longer sells the 1+2+3 version. There is still no explanation of what the 350 songs on the disc are.

2014:
The page to purchase the CD no longer exists on stepmania.com. At this point the contents of the disc seem to (hopefully not) be lost forever.

TL;DR there have been somewhere between six and nine versions of the CD over the years, and several of the descriptions contradict each other. Only the three smallest versions are possible to reconstruct, and the most complete ones don't have any description at all. Does anyone have any more information about the missing versions, or know someone else who would? Thanks in advance!

TL;DR 2: This is a breakdown of the known versions and missing information:
- SMC 1: 39 songs. FAQ says "look at this page", which has exactly 39 songs.
- SMC 2 ver. A: 128 songs. FAQ says "look at this page", but the page only has 97 songs.
- SMC 2 ver. B: 98 songs. FAQ says "look at this page", which has exactly 98 songs.
- SMC 1+2: 164 songs. FAQ says "look at these pages", but the pages only have 131 songs.
- SMC 3: 94 songs. FAQ says "look at this page", which has exactly 94 songs.
- SMC 1+2+3 ver. A: 213 songs. FAQ says "look at these pages", but the pages have 228 songs.
- SMC 1+2+3 ver. B: 200 songs. FAQ says "look at these pages", but the pages have 228 songs.
- SMC 2010 ver. A: 350+ songs. No description at all or what the + sign is supposed to mean.
- SMC 2010 ver. B: 350 songs. No description at all.
There is also no information why some versions of the disc with the same name have changed their description.

Post #2 · Posted at 2018-08-02 03:31:18am 5.6 years ago

Offline Daniel_BMS
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Post #3 · Posted at 2018-08-02 03:45:59am 5.6 years ago

Offline stylek226
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"Bemani Remix Hunter."
I remember seeing those discs since my start on Stepmania, I never actually understand what songs they have on those discs...

Post #4 · Posted at 2018-08-02 12:35:21pm 5.6 years ago

Offline Zowayix
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Quote: Daniel_BMS
Yup. It's unfortunately not the only place selling 'knockoff' copies of the disc (when someone removes content and adds their own content then resells at a higher price). Here it's obvious because the disc only has 171 songs, but it claims to include StepMix 1, StepMix 2, and SMC 1+2+3 (200 songs minimum). There is no official version of the disc with 171 songs on it. The screenshots also blatantly list Afronova Primeval, R3, and exotic ethnic, which are official DDR songs though the disc should contain none.

Quote: stylek226
I remember seeing those discs since my start on Stepmania, I never actually understand what songs they have on those discs...
Same here. There's six named versions and nine different descriptions (listed above), but only the three smallest are possible to reconstruct with the limited information I've been able to gather so far. I'm hoping someone either knows more or can point me to someone who knows more.
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