DanceDanceRevolution A20 (AC)

It was more the poor execution. They didn't really offer any form of incentive for doing them, and there wasn't much variety.

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I personally want good-cool and DJ Nagureo songs back.

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Yeah there were several questionable removals in DDR SuperNOVA and DDR X like the good-cool and nagureo songs (though I think there was a reason for the nagureo ones removed). Might have been to save space? I don't see why they would bring them back though...

I personally want to see more of kors k. I think it would actually be pretty baller if he was sound director for a game. He seems to have a great taste in music that aligns well with DDR. Also I think TAG is responsible for there being less dance/party music and more japanese oriented stuff like vocaloid/anime/jpop etc.

We had those before yes but there was always that Naoki touch... and every game seemed to have a bit of a theme, 3rdMIX had an 80's vibe, 4thMIX had a disco vibe, MAX had more eurobeat, MAX2 had some trance, EXTREME had a bit more latin than usual, etc. At least DDR A did go somewhere with its EDM theme, and DDR X aesthetically had an urban touch with some street like music in it, though that wasn't directed by TAG...

My opinion on a 20 footer, i honestly think there shouldn't be A 20 footer, but several. Tbh idk what monstrosity you could squeeze into a song to turn a 19 into a 20, so I actually think it would be fine if they just cheaped out and had 20's play like ITG 14's. Just have 20 footers be stamina charts. Then they can play it off as part of the A20 theme by giving 20 footer stamina Challenge charts to several older songs, or giving A20 Specials to songs that already have Challenge charts.

Then just save all the gimmicky stuff for 19's. That way in tournaments there could be a 20's only division in tournaments that would be the equivalent of Stamina divisions in ITG tournaments. Of course I don't expect this to be done, but I just think it would be cooler to revisit older songs with stamina charts and get new songs that fit in with that type of chart, than to wait for one or two 20's that people may or may not enjoy and may or may not suck song-wise.

It would also be an excuse to use the 1000 combo voice clip again outside of course modes...

All songs by dj nagureo were removed because he is no longer affiliated with KONAMI.

Why all songs by good-cool were removed in DDR is unknown. They were fun to play, though.

As of DDR A, U1 ASAMi is the current sound director of DDR and he has started making EDM and wobbly music since 2014.


I am definitely with you, buddy, especially for trance music.

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Nobody knows why those songs were removed. Yes, Nagumo left Konami years ago but some of his earlier songs (5.1.1. and R3) are still in IIDX while being removed from X. Space is not an issue, certainly not these days when DDR uses BEMANI PC.

good-cool's case is slightly different as the rights for some of his songs are a bit messy, which may or may not have affected their removal from SuperNOVA.

BEMANI games are sound directed by in-house people, kors k is not one of them.

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I'm not conviced that Dancemania comes back to DDR. It's go back and not go forward.
DanceMania was a good time, but it's time to pass a the new generation.
I'm convinced that DDR doesn't think in DanceMania anymore, but it could make the same songs with another artist like Butterfly by kors K, i guess.

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I would love to see more songs like Kors K’s remake of Butterfly. I truly would rather if they revive anything that it be remixed or reworked in someway.

really long take but here we go: The problem with dancemania songs is that there's a whole bunch of them as it can ranges from bubblegum pop that we commonly associate Dancemania with (or the spped rave type songs), to well-known (to casual audiences) classics That's The Way (btw some don't realize never gonna give you up is considered an dancemania song). What if lesser known songs like Upside Down make it in instead of So Deep? Although given the likelyhood, Konami will revive the best hits but they have revived Bad Girls in X3 and who's actually aware of the songs existence lmao
Also @NikkiS dancemania songs shouldn't have a problem with copyright. most Japan exclusives don't make it because it's not worth the trouble to resolve. dancemania is dead and konami has been able to transfer songs like DAM DARIRAM to the US, through different rights holders that also have the song.

I think good-cool songs were removed because Testuya is a commissioned artist, thus is not obligated to keep his songs and considering how he never actually made a song for DDR he probably has disdain towards the franchise
Also more speculation, some of the X removals were actually licensing issues, like the BeForU songs (Gambit took ahold of the rights during the BeForU III era) and songs with lyrics written by commissioned lyricists (though we got to keep some songs like kind lady, true... for a while, and we still have dive to the night) but some were removed due to the artists wishes, sound directors preference or are not popular/liked enough (confrimed by Aaron Tokunaga in an interview).

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Most of the time when we say "What do you want to see in the new mix" everyone wants to see old stuff back and I get the feeling people want a DDR mix that is literally every song ever made, which isn't possible.

In other words StepMania

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Konami could try finding different artists who make the genres that Dancemania artists make, having Dancemania songs on DDRA20 is impossible because of the fall of Dancemania, the only better option is to look outside of Dancemania, of couse Konami is doing that, but they aren't looking more further, which is why we get horrible licenses like Break Free and Happy with weeb music, but since this is Konami, they will just keep targeting their EDM Dubstep and Anime fans and not the Trance/Techno fans.

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It's almost like the Top 40 pop songs are more popular or something.

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Sadly, looking at the 19s we have right now, ITG 14s wouldn't be nearly hard enough as a DDR 20, and I doubt they'd be able to dish out pure stamina charts on something that people would consider harder than the 19s without throwing in a bunch of things that neither fit the song or players consider purely absurd.

What older songs did you want to see 20s in anyway?

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Those songs are much worse than the Dubstep songs. heck the American licenses in DDR A are much worse than the dubstep songs in DDR A.

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oh boy do I have news for you lmao: https://www.discogs.com/Various-Dancemania-Lets-Party-/release/8530150
anyways I agree that Konami could potentially license more dancemania-esque songs like adding more smile.dk or maybe even add the original-ORIGINAL U.S.A by Joe Yellow but having western pop songs is fitting too since dancemania had plenty of those (masters and covers)
at the same time, I hope Konami tries something new and unexpected with this game, but judging by the name and bgm playing, it'll still be EDM-focused which ain't too bad
the weeb songs are mainly there to attract sdvx/iidx players but I feel like those are too otaku-focused for a more casual/physical game, and I think the anime audience would prefer sdvx-like games instead

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They're not adding dancemania songs. They've said it before, and the licensing issues aren't magically gonna go away. This is no longer EXTREME, were 15 years past that and the game is completely different. Accept that are licenses are gonna be EDM and pop and move on

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Songs like B4U, True Love, Dead End, Trip Machine Climax, Paranoia Evolution, Holic, Xepher among others could have particularly streamy charts. I was thinking 20's could be banned from KAC and played in a separate stamina division, and for a chart to qualify as stamina it would have a minimum Stream Value and Combo amount. Again, just ideas, not something I expect them to do.

Speaking of expectations, people need to take it easy when someone says they want Dancemania songs back. They WANT them back. They don't EXPECT them to return. People act like they're being blasphemous for mentioning Dancemania. Is it so shocking that people want to see something that defined DDR for a good portion of its run? Especially considering that some of them did return for 10th Anniversary, why is it so infuristing that some people want them for the 20th Anniversary?

Think of the Dancemania songs that made it to american CS games that might not be so hard to license again. Either way, I don't expect them to come since there's so many costs involved and they're always cheaping out of stuff. I just hope they at least license another handful of radio music for the casuals. The gold cabinet gives it a hip hop vibe, so it would be cool to see some hip hop in there, as much as it would piss off weebs.

I don't believe Break free is a bad song, if it were like that, it wouldn't be added in DanceRush STARDOM.

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At least it's no Marshmallow or Alan Walker.

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Imagine complaining about a minuscule amount of American licenses in a game with several hundred alternatives from which to choose.

Wait, people didn't like DDR As licenses? I always play a few of them whenever I have a session. They're better than any American pop music that's come out since Ace's release. I'm truly not looking forward to seeing what kind of bland depressing trap music licenses could potentially wind up in the new mix.

As for 20s, although it doesn't matter to me since I'd never play them, if they're going to have 20s at all I think A20 specials is a good idea. I'd rather have more modest 13-16 challenge charts for older songs, though.