Worst stepcharts, in your opinion

AM-3P (303 BASS MIX) was the only new (to DDR) song in that game, and its charts weren't the best, but for the song, I think its chart is good.

A Geisha's Dream (Ruffage Mix) - Expert

Seriously? What is up with it? Its definitely awkward as hell.

Seriously, does anyone play Paranoia Hades? On any difficulty? Because I want to slap the holy hell out whoever came up with the charts for it. I literally cannot read the goddamn chart on Heavy for the life of me. It's making me angry because I clearly know that this song is not a 9 on Heavy. The beginning alone has a death run that I can't grasp on any speed. I want to fight someone right now because this chart is aggravating on all levels. And I love the song. I have it as a ringtone, for crying out loud. But the charts are ridiculous.

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Well, clearly it's the equivalent of AFRONOVA, right? It's even a little easier since it doesn't do the sideways walking part...

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LOL, so I went back and did it again and managed to miraculously make it through the beginning part of song intact.

I should probably have mentioned the fact that my sight-reading comprehension is pretty high but my foot skill has regressed considerably since my peak playing days (which was way before SN2). But still, I know I should be able to read the steps and understand what's happening. When you can only helplessly stare at arrows going up a screen, there's a problem. Adding jumps interspersed with triplets at 300 BPM is never fun, especially when there's a lot of chaos surrounding it on all sides. Hades takes this to a new level.

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Hades isn't a 9, it was rated a 16-footer on X3, SN2 just had many misratings to try balance out some ratings, which led to the X-scale.
I don't -hate- Hades , although I find it incredibly hard, considering I struggle to even pass it on (X-scale 15).

Did we ever figure out what Chaos really means in DDR (not in Stepmania)?

I'm pretty sure it's just the number of offbeats (1/12s and 1/16s) in the song. Hence the odd timing of the chart in the song CHAOS itself, and why it scores that highly there in spite of it's chart mostly timing with 1/8 steps.

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Thread is boring with all the recent stuff....we know they're horrible.

Operator doubles (although I AAA this at one time, it still a horrible, but fun chart)
Turn Me On doubles
Do Me
Lupin The Third doubles
Orion 78 doubles
"BUTTERFLY (UPSWING MIX) doubles 4th mix plus chart

So Deep Doubles

Supercalifragilisticexpialidocious single/doubles...a.k.a. the first original 10 footer

PARANOiA Hades is one of my favourite charts overall. I cant understand the hate.

Also, HVAM .

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I could have sworn that wasn't true though. If that were the case every 12-beat song (Burning Heat, etc) would have massive Chaos.

I think Burning Heat does have massive Chaos.

Yeah, Burning Heat DOES have quite a sum of Chaos



as for MY worst stepchart,

I'm really not sure

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Just because you can't do it, doesn't automatically make it a bad step chart.
There are plenty of charts I can't do well but still respect them as a chart. In fact, Hades is one of my favortie 18's konami has made and I think the step chart was well thought out.

Just don't think its a good argument to say because I can't do/don't like so and so song its a bad chart.

I don't really hate too many charts. Most songs I hate is because of the song, BG, syncing, etc.

Actual charts that are the worst would be something like DEGRS.
Recently on doubles I was appalled by Loving You . Just plain lazy and uncreative.
Keep on moving Doubles is also pretty bad/awkward

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Apparently I can't stand 888 . I don't really know why.

Also DYNAMITE RAVE ("AIR" Special) .

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I don't hate a stepchart simply because I can't read it. If that were true, I'd hate a large majority of the X-scaled songs and every Maxx/Paranoia boss would have made me stop playing all together back in the day. I don't like the chart because it just doesn't seem to make a whole lot of sense in the grand scheme of things.

This is probably blasphemy, but I don't really care. It seemed like to me that after PSMO (and right around the ITG crisis stage for Konami in general), they started throwing stuff at the wall to see what stuck in hopes of reclaiming the hardcore crowd. I played a number of ITG charts and going back to later DDR stuff seemed like a desperate attempt to grasp the past. They were hurt by the ITG stuff and it showed. Hades seems like that at first glance until you get to the meat of the song. My problem is getting there. I'm a superb sight-reader and when I can't make heads or tails of a mass of arrows in any of the manner of ways I know how to approach it, I have a problem with the stepchart. Literally, the only way I was able to decipher it was jumping into Stepmania, pulling on C400 and breaking down the chart using a controller. That problem just turned into a major problem.

I'd love Hades' map if it made sense a little more to have jumps on top of jumps at that speed. That's all I'm saying.


Thank you for confirming this. I haven't seen too much of an actual X/X2/X3 machine, so I did not know this. But I figured that had to be a misrating because gracious goodness, the beginning alone disqualifies the 9 immediately. Thanks to Seishinbyou's calculations and research back in the day, I'm pretty good on what that translates to on the old scale.

To add to the chart discussion, I do not like the beginning of Orion.78 Civ Mix . I understand it easily but I just don't like the beginning part. I get uneasy about it for some reason every time I play it. I think it's that if you get off-beat there at just about any point, you're screwed.


I love the chart. I'm positively scared of the challenge steps. I have a sneaking feeling it's going to make me mad. Quickly.

Rubes

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Not for the players here so much, but one of the notable reasons SN2 was lost on the casual to semi-regular crowd in Japan was that even though ramped difficulty on the boss songs on Expert difficulty was not a bad thing on Expert and Challenge, the basic and difficult charts were as well, but that only drove those charts into obscurity because they didn't want ramped difficulty on the boss songs on basic and difficult or even on beginner. When they wanted to move up skill wise they would play easier songs the next difficulty up or play familiar songs the next difficulty up. By ramping the difficulty on the easiest levels Konami eroded the base by which the newcomer and casual players start playing a particular song. That was more of a problem for keeping new crowds coming to DDR than the difficulty and new challenges of the boss songs on the harder difficulties.

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I agree. The single chart is hard but atleast interesting. Instead of gallops, runs, and drills its just a bunch of 8th notes. It's like they got lazy and spammed them all over.

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Yeah, that is a bad chart.

What about Leading Cyber? I wish they had more steps, the last time I played it on doubles I remember it was missing some of my favorite triplet parts. I wish songs had at least the same sound as singles. It's not like they should make it any easier then rate it much higher simply because it's doubles. Songs should be rated according to human possibilities.

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