Interesting Little Things in DDR

Guys, can anyone confirm this?
In DDR Extreme and Supernova, does the song 'celebrate' by 'jj company' have the same stepcharts for its difficult and expert doubles chart?

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No it does not.

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That only occurs in DDRMAX US, because it came out before the real D- chart was made. Same for any other Club version song in Konamix or MAX that also wound up in Extreme AC.

I see. I find it strange that the one on beware's DDR Extreme simulation, there's no difference between the two charts in terms of difficulty, number of steps and groove radar statistics. Lemme check again...

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They're definately different. As the guys said, Double Maniac mode didn't exist until 3rd Mix, so any song that pre-dates that either doesn't have a Double Maniac chart, or had one added later. Euromix 2 added some of them, but the early US releases just ported the songs as they were, without adding the missing charts.

Be In My Paradise and Celebrate weren't re-vamped until Extreme, when they were bth given the charts they were missing, and Be In The Paradise was turned into an avalanche of slowly-moving arrows.

Thanks for the confirmation guys. Looks like this is one error in beware's DDR Extreme simulation.

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Related to the American DDRMAX, even though that game had charts that were updated as recently as 7thMIX (12th notes in Healing Vision), it left out the revamped 4thMIX PLUS charts for songs like Stomp to my beat.

I can see why they'd want to use the original charts over the 4th Mix Plus charts. Things like Xanadu and Love being 9-footers, and Stomp To My Beat and Do It all Night becoming very rhythmical charts in 4th Mix Plus makes some sense, because :

a) There are dozens of other straightforward 7 footers in the difficulty curve, so the original (simpler) charts vanishing doesn't create any sort of void in the game balance.

b) 4th Mix Plus was promoting the idea of making and sharing Edit Data with other players in your arcade, and the original charts were included as Edit Data pre-installed on the machine.

In the context of DDRMAX USA, it doesn't make as much sense to use the new charts, because it's probably better that an unsuspecting public play Stomp To My Beat how it was originaly intended to be played, rather than immediately get hit with the "Oh, you know how this song goes, now play it with your feet" fan-service chart.

They could have included both versions, since the concept of a Challenge chart existed at this point, but only in the sense of "a chart which is balanced specifically for playing with limited lives", rather than "Hey! We can give this song more than one maniac chart!"

Or they might not have thought about any of this, and just throw ideas together. We're talking about the game that featured a new Konami Original song everyone really wanted to play, and stuck it at the end of a 20-song Oni course..

Lets be real here, the only reason any of us wanted to play that as badly as we did was because of how hard it was to unlock. 500 songs or a 20-song Oni course? It was a status symbol at the time, "Yeah, well I unlocked Drop The Bomb SySf Remix" immediately made people think "wow, I wish I could pass Hardcore".

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I think most people who followed DDR were highly anticipating it from the moment Konami released a Demo disc which somehow contained all the song select preview files. All we knew was that :

* It was Drop The Bomb (yay!)
* It was from the guy who made Look To The Sky (this was all we knew him as at the time, because nobody had made the connection that he'd replaced UI-Asami)
* The 10-second song preview sounded really good!

It definately became more of a status symbol once the game was released and we realised how arduous it was to unlock, but long before that, it was the centerpiece of excitement for DDRMAX USA, because it showed that we were not only was it going to have new content, but new content that US players really, really wanted, rather than just licenses aimed at the genral public.

It's quite unrelated to the current discussion, but I was wondering who was the vocalist for Mess With My Emotions, from HP1? I think she sounds a lot like the one from Fever in X3. Anyone can confirm?

It's not the same vocalist as Fever; that's Carol Gadsden, the vocalist in Mess With My Emotions is Malaya, also featured in Here I Go Again from HOTTEST PARTY.

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Oh, well thanks for clearing that up!

I vaguely remember the demo disc and people finding that. I mostly remember people being REALLY upset that the Drop the Bomb remix was the big unlock, although in hindsight that could have been sour grapes as the vast majority of us couldn't pass hardcore and didn't want to grind through 500 songs to unlock it. I personally sat down and passed hardcore on a controller.

Its kind of amusing though because now Hardcore is just mildly difficult. You could have your DDR Max save file deleted right now and sit down to unlock it all again doing all of your speed unlocks (AA HVAM for Healing Vision, AA Healing Vision for Trip Machine Climax, AA Synchronized Love for Rhythm and Police, etc) including passing Hardcore and its more of a bitchplease.jpg kind of thing. IIRC you only need 150 songs with all of the speed unlocks.

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I had to look at it to see how hard Hard Core actually is, and I'd completely forgotton that it has a 2-foot basic song in the middle of it o.O

It isn't really ridiculous by todays standards, but back then it was a pain in the ass to get through Rhythm and Police and My Summer Love on Oni rules. Electrotuned was annoying because it has that weird slowdown. Most of the course wasn't bad, it was just getting through 20 straight songs on Oni rules and having two of them be really hard to do either x1 speed or with only 3 misses.

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I'm sorry if this has already been mentioned.

DDR 1st mix (JP CS) has an OUCH! Judgement. I dunno if any other DDR mix has this incorporated. Big thanks to dancervic for posting that on his youtube channel (granted that was uploaded 5yrs ago).

That's the only instance that happened in DDR. And only in ARRANGE MODE (stepping where there's no arrow results OUCH! judgement)

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Does the OUCH! judgement break combos?

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I believe it did.