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Post #121 · Posted at 2010-05-10 02:28:50am 15.1 years ago

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Aegis, have you even tried those oni steps? They're practically deadly. Maybe the Tsugaru one can slide as a 9, but the Maximizer one is definitely a 10.

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Post #122 · Posted at 2010-05-10 02:33:30am 15.1 years ago

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Post #123 · Posted at 2010-05-10 04:35:54am 15.1 years ago

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They're both 10s to me, Maximizer Oni is pretty hard! And Tsugaru has pretty hard streams with jumps everywhere!

Post #124 · Posted at 2010-05-10 07:18:20am 15.1 years ago

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Yeah, it's definitely a 10.

How about Why Not? That's rated a 10 on the new scale. Smells like an 11 to me.

Post #125 · Posted at 2010-05-10 07:53:39am 15.1 years ago

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Most of Why not is very simple, it's just like, two measures in the middle that could be a little troublesome. I always thought it was pretty easy for an 8, I suppose it could be an 11, but 10 is fitting too.
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Post #126 · Posted at 2010-05-10 08:02:02am 15.1 years ago

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It's a solid 8 on the old scale. Shades of Grey, on the other hand, should've been a 7.

Post #127 · Posted at 2010-05-10 10:21:10am 15.1 years ago

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I thought it should have been a 6. Even though it's 170 bpm (Shades of Gray), the maximum stream length is 17 notes, but it's a very simple stream. The hardest one is the 9-note one later on in the song, and most of the song is straight quarter notes, if not just simple patterns.

Kind of a stupid chart if you ask me, but whatever. They could have come up with a much better chart (like many of their newer songs).

Post #128 · Posted at 2010-05-10 11:01:23am 15.1 years ago

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Why Not Single should be : Beginner 3 , Light 4 , Standard 6 , Heavy 8 (old rating)

Beginner 4 , Light 6 , Standard 9 , Heavy 11 (X scale)

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Post #129 · Posted at 2010-05-10 09:40:13pm 15.1 years ago

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I've thought about the songs in the Xbox series that had Challenge charts, but no foot ratings. I personally would consider them to be:

Giudecca: Smells like 10-footer to me.

Desire (Comet remix): I'd call it a 9, it is pretty draining.

Grandolin: If this isn't a 10, it should be a very, VERY hard 9.

Stompin at the Gotham: Oh geez, I'm not so sure. I'd give that at least a 9. Maybe even a 10.

AM-3P (as DLC, it does have an Challenge chart): Definitely a 9.

Ecstasy (just like AM-3P): Also a 9, I think.

Candy*: Another 9, as it's another drainer.

Kiss Me All Night Long: Yes, definitely a 9, and a hard one at that.

Hot Limit: And yet another hard 9.

Koibito: Solid 8 footer.

Return of the Toe Jam: 10-footer for sure.

Maximizer: This should also be a 10.

Treble, Bass and Attitude: Somewhat of a 9. Not a hard one though.

Tsugaru (Or-If-Is Mix): A 10, because with such an excessive amount of jumps, this one's way too mean to be a 9.

Anybody with me on all that?
I'm with you on all of this except Grandolin. Grandolin has you following the fiddle and piano throughout the song, similar to Concertino In Blue HeavyChallenge.

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I thought it should have been a 6. Even though it's 170 bpm (Shades of Gray), the maximum stream length is 17 notes, but it's a very simple stream. The hardest one is the 9-note one later on in the song, and most of the song is straight quarter notes, if not just simple patterns.

Kind of a stupid chart if you ask me, but whatever. They could have come up with a much better chart (like many of their newer songs).
Shades of Grey has a stupid Heavy chart, but it does deserve a 7, mainly due to the turning involved towards the end. I think it would've gotten better steps if the song was cut better.

Post #130 · Posted at 2010-05-13 05:41:47am 15.1 years ago

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Well, Grandolin has many sixteenth clusters altogether. I don't even know if I can pass it on pad. >_>

If it's a 9-footer, it's probably (on of) the hardest nine-footer(s) in history.

Post #131 · Posted at 2010-05-13 05:59:22am 15.1 years ago

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Why Not Single should be Heavy 8 (old rating)

I thought it already was an 8?

Post #132 · Posted at 2010-05-15 09:37:04am 15.1 years ago

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It was already an 8, he's just saying they were right, it should be an 8.

Post #133 · Posted at 2010-05-21 05:28:22am 15.1 years ago

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My biggest objection to the (current) rating system is that in almost every case, the shock arrow challenge counterparts for heavy charts (examples: Waiting 4U, Saber Wing, Dance Celebration) are rated the same as the regular heavy chart. If you're playing without the bar, dodging shock arrows amidst roughly the same stepchart makes it worthy of (one) more foot on the rating (Saber Wing Challenge drains me a lot more than Saber Wing Heavy, though both get me puffing a little.)

Another one I think of is Night In Motion's Heavy chart, which could pass for a seven at the beginning, but the massive jump swarm at the end is enough to fail you easily, and someone who's working on getting 7s down would surely break their legs on that last part. On the new, I'd put it in at a 12 (but, jumps have never been my strong suit, so I suppose that's possibly my own idiosyncrasies talking.)

The final one that I think takes the cake is Horatio Challenge on DDR X US. With shock arrows thrown on almost every beat, splitting up the drills into awkward 16th-8th-16th timing and momentarily blinding you every time you screw up, I'd say it deserved something much higher than a 16 for the sheer confusion of it.

On a side note, I think the new scale is better, since the roof has been raised so massively high since MAX.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qLznShxxhBA

Wow, so that's an official Challenge chart for Maximizer? Ack. Serious voltage there. I guess they decided they wanted something even harder than the Mission 100 chart in DDR Extreme US. I actually am capable of the mission chart, but that, I'm not so sure of.

Post #134 · Posted at 2010-05-21 09:56:26am 15.1 years ago

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Hmm, I agree with most of your points, except for Night of Motion. Sure, an 8 would be nice on the old scale, but I think a 12 is a bit too high on the new one. The jumps at the end aren't so daunting... I'd say an 11 at best.

And also, there's Vanity Angel. I question why that was rated an 8. Should have been a 9. And Breakdown was a 9, should have been an 8.

Maybe they accidentally swapped them. xD

EDIT: Who knew that Baby Baby Gimme Your Love Heavy is a 7 on the new scale? Seems quite low. O_o I'd put it at an 8 maybe.

EDIT #2: So is Puzzle. I wonder why it's a 7 on the new scale... seems like a 9, rather than a 7. It's still pretty easy, though. And Chance and Dice should be a 10.

Post #135 · Posted at 2010-05-21 10:15:28am 15.1 years ago

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And also, there's Vanity Angel. I question why that was rated an 8. Should have been a 9. And Breakdown was a 9, should have been an 8.

Maybe they accidentally swapped them. xD
I disagree with that. The rating are actualy good.
Vanity is painfull to score, but it's not a 9 it's a 8.
Breakdown is more stamina drainning because of the 190bpm + double steps. Still "easier" to score than Vanity. But breakdown is a 9.
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Post #136 · Posted at 2010-05-21 10:22:44am 15.1 years ago

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Wasn't Vanity Angel originally a 9 when it was on EuroMix 2?

Either way it's pretty damn tough for an 8. It's not really draining but it has a really awkward rhythm; same with L'amour et la liberte (sp?).

Post #137 · Posted at 2010-05-21 10:26:11am 15.1 years ago

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Well, they did make Vanity Angel a 12 on the new scale... I guess i'm happy about that.

I think they should make Breakdown an 11. That's only happened to one 9-footer (Paranoia Kcet).

And also, how about Justify My Love? Incredibly easy for a 9. And there's also Do You Remember Me. Too hard for an 8.

Post #138 · Posted at 2010-05-21 10:32:23am 15.1 years ago

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Justify My Love would probably be pretty tough for someone just coming off of 8's. It is pretty easy for a 9, but other than Witch Doctor, there aren't really any 8's with 16th streams like in Justify My Love.

Do You Remember Me is a solid 8 in my opinion; sure, it has some 16ths here and there, but they're in relatively easy patterns. I don't see people who play 8's having much trouble with it.

Post #139 · Posted at 2010-05-21 10:37:58am 15.1 years ago

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For a song with a 296 max combo and only two (semi) difficult parts, Justify My Love is a cakewalk for a 9. The rest is simple freeze patterns and (generally) 3 note streams.

Do You Remember Me is quicker, more brisk, and has more sixteenth note patterns with longer streams.

Just my two cents though.

Post #140 · Posted at 2010-05-21 03:06:21pm 15.1 years ago

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Do You Remember Me (Single with X Scale) : Beginner 3 , Light 4 , Standard 7 , Heavy 12

Justify My Love (Single with X scale) : Light 4 , Standard 7 , Heavy 12
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