Guitar Hero (AC) (International)

really? i havnt tried it(like i said, i suck) but it sounds pretty simple, and most of the kiss songs in the peter criss era were pretty simple because he isnt a rock drummer, he was a big band drummer who was picked because he was willing to do anything to make it.

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The song's in the second to last tier. The difficulty isn't in the main part, it's just that there's loads of really small changes that make you lose your combo if you're not looking. Especially as I have difficulty changing foot patterns when drumming with a pedal that stiff.

And Maps is suprisingly tough, considering it's only 3rd/4th set.

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Classic Rock might have been an overstatement, but just the same, look at the fact that just about every person you meet that plays Guitar Hero and/or Rock Band has NEVER heard of, or if they have, have never SEEN or PLAYED a Guitar Freaks and/or Drum Mania machine.

Do you not see the contrast? I deny Rock Band's drums as anything close to a sim. Fine, getting over the learning curve of what, to me, seems like tom toms, does present unique challenges. And I will say I can't beat the hardest songs on either instrument, but certainly none of Rock Band or GH's songs measure up to ANY of GFDMs hardest songs.

I mean, yeah, how many people on this thread (aside from the forum elites) can say they've full comboed F&F? But at the same time, how many people who have full comboed on F&F AND have never touched a GF machine can beat GF's MU-DAI, or even, let's go so low as "the WORLD"? Of the people who have NEVER touched a GFDM machine, but are great at GH, you're in for a surprise if you think you've got the ups in music sims.

GH's and RB's appeal is all on the look. Fine, fine, you find good material, and no, I was being biased when I said it's all Classic Rock. But you can't argue with the fact thatjust about every person you meet that plays Guitar Hero and/or Rock Band has NEVER heard of, or if they have, have never SEEN or PLAYED a Guitar Freaks and/or Drum Mania machine, except for members of these communities. Take your average high school sophomore with ALL of his classmates and I'll bet you almost all of them have played GH or RB, but only 5-8 of them will have ever played a GFDM machine.

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Well even a few years back, several dumbfucks I knew at work thought that our area GameWorks had a "Guitar Hero Arcade" game when it was nothing more than a GF US mix that has been there since the place opened in the late 90s.

WOW FAIL at their part...but sadly it is going to come true sometime in February

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all i had to do to play GF is turn reverse on and use a speed mod. you're lying to yourself if you think that someone who can FC BATM, COTC, GRTR, frankenstein, or decontrol on GH1 with no HO/PO system cant play GF. you're still lying to yourself if you think guys like chris and danny who have FCed damn near the entirety of GH(TTFAF, TDWDTG, one, RaBl, jordan, soothsayer, DF pack, etc) cant beat the hardest songs in GF. its a basically playing GH1 with 3 buttons instead of 5.

as for this shit that people have never heard of GF/DM, that has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with which game is better you moron. GF/DM got poor marketing in the states, and people see them and think GH arcade for the same reason people see PIU and ITG and think DDR, the same reason in some places if you ask for a large coke the person will ask you what kind, its a brand name and brand names win, people know them.

GH and RB's appeal is not in the look, its in the gameplay. RB has the best vocals engine out there hands down, its a fucking fact. its better than sing star, its better than GHWT, its better than karaoke revolution. i've tried them all, RB is superior, how can you say its just about the look? the guitar is also more realistic in GH and RB, and both of them feature things that the other doesnt. GH has sliding, RB has chord sweeps, both have HO/POs, none of these things are featured in GF. sure its harder, but its nowhere near the realism of a GH or RB chart. as for drums, you cant even compare them, they arent the same. you might as well compare taiko no tatsujin while youre at it. and bass, does GF even have bass charts? i know for a fact it doesnt have the open strum from GHWT.

also, the average person doesnt want to play the j-pop KOs in DDR, why would they want to play the japanese songs in GF/DM? they dont, they want to play songs that they know. GF/DM might have the edge in japan, but its for this same reason, playing what is familiar. the average person isnt going to want to play the WORLD, most of them wont even know the song, and of the small handful that do know it, only a percentage of them will even know it by name and know its the song from death note. the average american wants to play motley crue, black sabbath, ozzy osbourne, kiss, disturbed, etc. WE ARE NOT THE AVERAGE AMERICAN, WE ARE A NICHE AUDIENCE THAT ARE INTO A SERIES OF JAPANESE RHYTHM GAMES THAT WERE NEVER INTENDED FOR US. if you cant understand that, and understand how GH is so popular, then there is no hope for you ever, you're beyond repair as a konami fanboy. i've been playing konami's rhythm games for 8 years now and i can see what people love about GH and RB, just step back and look at it.

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Whoops!

GF DOES HAVE BASS
and Open Strum is just an easy/retarted version of GF's Open Pick


Pretty much the same, and what they like about GH/RB is its simplicity.

Funny thing... @saib0t

I took notice of the sliding in Rock Band. And frankly I'm not sure why GF limits us to only 3 frets.

But honestly, you're going to talk about people who have names for themselves?

I said "Excluding the people we know".

I mean, it's that kind of generalism that gets me going. I'm not hating on the games, I'm not saying that they're BAD. I'm saying that they're GOOD, but that, imho they aren't as good as GFDM. And at the same time, I'm also saying that the attitude of the commercials, along with the people who play the games, shows completely unforgiving ignorance towards GFDM. I mean, heartless-much?

The makers of Guitar Hero and Rock Band pretty much picked up GFDM and violated it and then left it on the side of the road to die, and in the way that nobody knows, or cares.

They're good games, I'm not denying that. But I still hate em for that stupid freaking cruelty they show to the originals.

Maybe the average American isn't in the mooding for every Japanese charter that comes out, but I sure as hell am not in the mood for every classic in history, and every punk that comes out.

And personally, I like my bass turned down. Guitar Freaks sounds better to me than Rock Band. It's way too heavy on the bass. But that's just me.

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Ok we get it, you're a KONAMI fanboy. Now you're just repeating yourself.

Rock Band has announced Rock Band Japan. It has yet to go into development.

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Now THAT is expanding your horizon (ba-dum-dish) But seriously, i have heard of an "overseas" version of RB, just didn't know if it came out yet...guess it is true then

@RTCB: I play GH/RB, and yes, i do hate the fact that GH/RB basically took the idea off of GF/DM and "americanized" it into their own version...i feel that they took that and reshaped it for the "american" consumer and guess what? It worked! Now in most AMERICAN homes, mention the name GH/RB, they might say "oh yea! it's that one video game with the guitar!" Mention GF/DM and they will stare at you like "......?"

See the thing is i can't mess with your opinion, but at the same time, let it go...as of right now, there is basically nothing that can be done to redo this whole thing, Activision/Harmonix/Red Octane are so successful with these games, that even KONAMI themselves wanted to jump into the GH/RB bandwagon (which to me is quite a shock, but what was the reason for them to mash up together like this? Hint: Dolla Dolla Bill ya'll.) I may not forgive them for taking GF/DM away from us, but they were so successful at reshaping the game into their own version that I basically just let it by and play my game. I am not hating on any company, I am not saying that neither KONAMI nor Activision suck, all i am trying to say is that they made these games for a specific people/region/taste of music. With that concept, they created a game that would more than likely appeal to the "culture" of that region, and since America created "rock 'n roll", just piece the bits together and BAM! You now have one of the most successful music games in the market, and amazingly, GH/RB has spread ALL OVER THE WORLD.

Yes, it would suck for someone to take your idea that YOU thought up of, but in a way, GH/RB sorta "revived" the GF/DM thing and created something that just blew up all on its own. As a matter of fact, when GH FIRST came out, i was introduced to it from one of my friends, i have heard of it, but have never played it. At first i thought, "OMG, America is trying to copy GF/DM and trying to appeal to the youthful spirit of America! =D [/sarcasm]" And now? I am wanting to get GH:WT for the PS3...Ok, i haven't played GF/DM, and before you say anything, don't blame it on me for not trying, I WANT TO GIVE IT A SHOT, the thing is: Tampa Bay, FL has a HUGE tendency for not having any import machines from Japan (only time i have seen this was an original Beatmania machine at a bowling alley...last time i went, it was gone) So another reason could just be that GF/DM might not have even been placed in certain areas in the States, making the franchise less popular than GH.

To summarize this: We get the point, but just let it go, nothing can be done to take back what has been done.

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RB isnt heavy on bass, it sounds just like a studio version of the song. GH and GF elevate the volume of the guitar track because its a guitar based game. i can understand the complaint though, some times playing songs i'm not familiar with in RB i tend to miss because i cant hear whats going on.

also, they didnt really "violate" it, at least GH didnt. activision pays royalties to konami, and they've teamed up(which i'm sure you know from reading the thread, but its part of my argument so bear with me for repeating it). harmonix on the other hand, after leaving GH to activision, went and made what is essentially a localized GF/DM, but the controllers are a bit different and so are the note layouts to match them. they also took karaoke revolution and stuck it in there. its why they are being sued but activision isnt.

activision adding drums and vocals is something they did to keep up with the RB fanbase, and i'm sure since they arent being sued by konami they must have permission, which can be assumed by the fact that they pay royalties and have konami's help with GH AC.

i can kind of see how you feel like they are stealing the glory, but why point out that they took the idea from another game to make theirs? everyone "in the know" knows that, but the GF/DM games havnt seen american releases in forever(and i think they had name changes, i know DM was percussion freaks), i mean when did the last one come out? konami doesnt even recognize those games, i mean look at the info sections of DDR games, 321 stars debuted on DDR extreme? not quite, we all know its a beatmania crossover, but if konami doesnt care about games we dont see over here how can you expect activision and harmonix to?

on a similar note, konami cant just lay claim to a genre because they created it. i mean, what was the first 2d side scrolling game? pit fall is pretty damn old, but the teams behind mario, megaman, sonic, etc dont go crediting all their work to the inspiration behind the innovator of the genre. who created the first FPS? you dont see halo crediting them.

beside all that, its never really been about who invented something in gaming, but who does it best. sega is out of the console running because sony, despite coming after, did their console better(the announcement of the PS2 pretty much destroyed dreamcast sales, especially after how lackluster the saturn was in america). on that note, you have nothing to worry about here, because GF/DM is a damn good game, and as long as konami keeps selling it in japan, people will keep buying it, just like RB and GH in america. GF/DM isnt going to disappear, so i dont see any reason after all i've pointed out to harbor a grudge against actiblizzarsoft or harmonix.

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No..... just gonna pay to Konami for the concept = Konami won next thread please.

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XD
Idiots...complete idiots.
Game Stop/Best Buy/etc. = Free Guitar Hero or Rock Band.
Why pay when you got it for free.
Screw it.
It's not like it's hard anyway.

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i must have missed your TTFAF, TDWTDG, OGAP, HOOT, revolution deathsquad, soothsayer, SWTA, and one FC vids.

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gosh, I have no life. I actually tried looking him up on youtube -_-'

Too bad his name isn't as unique as he thinks as there's a page full of silencer's so I'm not about to go through all of those pages.


seriously, silenttype has no life -_-

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Gotta admit though: It's a lot funnier to wow people when you pass Rock Band 2's "impossible" Almost Easy on expert Vocals AND Melody Guitar.

Hey! It's Almost Easier than GF! Oh! Wait! It IS easier that GF!!! COOL!!!

Almost Easy on Guitar Freaks = 57 melody, 4X bass, 58 open pick

Almost Easy on Rock Band 2 = The top of the hardest song list (impossible, which is theoretically as hard as Rock Band gets thus far), with 5 devils (I think that's a difficulty of 10, or maybe it's just uber 5 or something I dunno) on the difficulty rating for Guitar melody.


Oh, yeah. Guitar Freaks don't have ANYTHING on Rock Band.

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how about something like a summary? I think people come with one or other point of view but all of them were already said by someone on forum xy or blog xy.

KONAMI isn't here to ruin what Activision/Harmonix came up with but probably wants the money because well they kind of came up first doing guitar/drum simulation game so they should get something, shouldn't they? and well they do. Activision probably pays them a lot for GH.

Rock Band is violating more KONAMI patents or at least is closer too. I can understand why they are quite angry but well I think still they are not suing them to stop it. they want money.....isn't that obvious? instead of trying hard with coming with something own and put it on non-Asian market they can get payed by well doing nothing. it at least looks like this to me and I have thought about this for a long time.

it's KONAMI's fault that they did not take over the American market with something. Sometimes they tried but considering American nation stupid it did not really go well. (or at least that is usually the case with American vs Japanese version of games. I have played Percussion Freaks 2nd and 4th mix and I did not find it different from JP releases except the songs. So probably it's more about coming to early. Because I as well introduced many music games in the Czech Republic but it was complete failure. Later with DDR being widespread and GH taking over people actually start to think about trying out other games as well.
I think KONAMI realized that this casual gamer market is gone (GFDM case) for them in US and that's probably why they are trying so hard with the promotion of DDR (subway, anyone?). In Europe things started to move. We will get first DDR game, we have KONAMI support for tournaments and stuff and we even might get more later if they see that it works. They said that they want to concentrate on casual players and amateurs than the hard core of players that is already here (they even told us to keep ITG to ourselfs, lol - under the condition that we promote DDR as well)

also note, that both games are different even though it might seem the same at first. GH/RB and GFDM have different target groups. clear? that's probably why you can have GFDM player play RB or GH. if the games would be targeted at the same audience probably one or other game would be preferred.

this is also the reason why GFDM and RB/GH can coexist. it's not like that GH/RB is better because it more known. that's bullshit. the fact is that RB/GH are easy to play, easy to learn, are closer to many people with the songlist etc. but not many people will play GFDM just for the fun of playing something...if you see what I mean. RB/GH is played by all age groups, young children, adults, grannies, grandpas....GFDM is not. why? I think it's quite clear.

(the fight would be more between RB and GHWT as those are games (at least counts for previous GHs) that target the same group - unlike GFDM)

you know everything is about trends and such and about what is kind of mainstream. nowadays it's casual gaming. hardcore gamers are looked upon and games are not done for them but for as many different people possible. same happens in music games and dance games. see? PIU Pro/Jump, DDR [whatever weird mix but it all started with DDR Hottest Party as KONAMI stated]. consoles...pretty clear isn't it? just check sells of Nintendo Wii and find out who actually bought it...

blah blah....just my two cents. I'm already fed up with everything KONAMI vs Activision/Pentavision/Harmonix etc. it's commerce...or well money etc. KONAMI itself won't give a damn about us. damn it. we can cry ..."we want PNM 15 CS" but they won't listen. but making GHAC might actually be something that could work for them....

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ad difficulty: probably most of the players of RB/GH are not looking for something really difficult and not passable. of course many like to be able to pass the most difficult songs. but it's score based thing...not really anything for competition. starpower/overdrive ...that's well cheating. even if you are better than someone you can lose because of well not using the starpower/overdrive the best way o_O see what I mean? GFDM can be competitive. can be taken seriously. in RB/GH that does not really work...so difficult, not difficult does not really matter that much as well as you can save yourself from dying with something else or someone else can save you etc. it's more about the fun, not the real challenge.

I personally am pretty lame at both GFDM (meaning most difficult songs I passed are somewhere around level 60) and on RB I passed songs from the impossible group with over 90 on both guitar and drums (and me and drums...does not really go together). Same goes to GHWT.

i lol at the fact how this thread changed from the AC of Guitar Hero to a "GH/RB ripped off of KONAMI's GF/DM and it's not right!" thread...

...lol

Anyways, well nothing much is going on about this AC...wonder if Dilem got my message >_>

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I can understand newbie accessibility, but that's what we have numbers in Guitar Freaks for. If you can't understand that green is easier than yellow and red, and that the number "1" is easier than the numbers "2" above, you're probably too stupid to be playing a video game in the first place.

The ONLY reason the majority of Americans are responding to GHRB is because MTV, a major American media sig, was involved in its production.

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RTCB: you think so? and why is GH so popular in Europe? No really, I went to many conventions and saw people try GH and well suck badly but they had fun. I saw many people trying GFDM and they were really frustrated and left the stand almost immediately after failing. I saw people in the arcades being temped by the machine....after some time some tried it and FAILED (probably they should have just gone through beginner mode instead of standard but still...). That's what I see. In the arcades we don't want to fail and there is nothing like Free mode from IIDX (at least as far as I know - last mix I played was 4th). GH on the other hand is mainly PC/console game but is available at many public places. you can fail as much as you want but the game is generally pretty easy.

I'm still surprised how many noobs come try play GH. there are many GH players around, but many people who just want to try the game out and they like it even before clearing first song o_O o_O. That's what I hate, but it seems that it is always the same thing. people get hooked for some reason RIGHT AWAY. unlike with GF where people usually have to replay the song or come back later to see if they will start to play the game or not.

we can see how GH AC will do. I think if GH was an AC release first it wouldn't be spreading that much .
(sorry GH is something I completely missed ... till someone bet on me that I won't be able to play experts in 2 weeks time - I was a day later)
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sorry for both offtopics, but I kind of had to write something.