What minor details in BEMANI games annoy you?

Speaking of changes from old games, I personally feel that the "Good" judgement should be how it used to. (Drops the combo, but you don't lose life.) "Almost/Boo" was kinda redundant, so getting rid of it was nice change.

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Sorry if I’m missing something obvious, but how are the BG videos in Max US “not synced”? They’re generic videos, and the scripts are from other songs. How was that ever going to sync up? With so many of them being completely generic with no real theme I couldn’t even tell you if they weren’t synced on the song they came from, much less the song they were transplanted to.

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It's not necessarily about the videos themselves. Most (if not all) of the DDRMAX/DDRMAX2 Arcade scripts were made with specific song structures in mind. So seeing something like NOTHING GONNA STOP's background script, fit for a song that goes in 4/4 time, be used for CUTIE CHASER morning mx, a song that goes in 6/4 time, is incredibly awkward. And, like I said, most of the scripts are a measure off.



Like... the green crystal video should begin at 0:23 (at the 29 combo mark), instead of at 0:25 (35 combo mark). And so on.



Anyway, yes, some of the decision in which songs use what transplanted scripts (I don't think of MIRACLE's videos when I hear PEACE-OUT or IT'S RAINING MEN's videos when I hear BABY GIMME YOUR LOVE) is also fairly arbitrary, but that's a separate issue.

Speaking of DDRMAX, is it possible to AAA Spin the Disc on single heavy in that game? I didn't see the OK judgement in the last freeze arrow.

Reminds me of Cutie Chaser's solo chart.

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Yes.

For Spin the Disc, what you have to do is change the sync. The song ends too early normally, but that timing doesn’t change with changing the sync. There was a topic about this on Aaron In Japan way back in the day.

As for the bg videos, I still don’t see how they’re off sync. They belong to other songs, I don’t see how changing what times specific parts are at will make them sync up.

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Compare this...



To this.

That BG sync for Max 1 is horrendous...

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Bus and Train were never selectable outside of DDR Party Collection.

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They’re random videos scripted together. They don’t sync up either way. The Max 2 video doesn’t fit the music any more than the Max video.

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You have no idea what I'm talking about, do you?

I think he means that the background videos change in synchronization with every passing four measures in the MAX 2 scripts, rather than changing a few measures after in the MAX scripts, where they are more conspicuous because the changes don't match the timing of the music. I do not believe that he's complaining that the content of the videos doesn't match the music. After all, they're random videos scripted together. Why would they?
This is likely what he meant when he grumbled about moving BG video changes from a 4/4 song into CUTIE CHASER, which is particularly egregious since the videos are changing to a completely different time signature.

If we are still on the topic of background sequences, it feels annoying how some if not half of the background sequences in DDR Ultramix 1 feel randomly generated. I get the game was rush considering the switch from PC to Xbox and is a lot better than Konami copy and paste a background sequence from DDRMAX2 but it still just feels somewhat odd.

Dynamite Rave in Ultramix 1 seems to also be missing a background clip because the sequence seems to go back to the background picture a couple of times.

[youtube]https://youtu.be/Yog4XKqiQdo[/youtube]
(Hopefully this is formatted right.)

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Yeah I know what he’s saying. And the videos changing every however many measures they want them to change still won’t make them sync up. Like the changes don’t go to the music regardless because every song is doing something different every 4 measures and 4 measures is a different amount of time for songs with different BPMs. Like I can’t see any way that the Max 2 Shining Polaris video is synced better than the original. If they’re supposed to change every 4 measures and start changing early or late then say that, saying they aren’t synced just makes no sense because they aren’t synced regardless because they don’t go to anything. When they’re random videos it’s more of a random fun fact about Max that a ton of the videos don’t follow the usual formula for changing to the next scripted video. It’s inherently different from a song like Bag where changing sync of the videos actually changes the flow of the video with the song. That’s what I’m trying to say. Like how is it so annoying that Shining Polaris changes videos at different times in Max and Max 2? Most people won’t even notice that, I’ve been playing these games since they came out and just learned this in this thread. Who sees the Max 2 video and is seriously like “Oh man that’s so much better I’m glad they fixed it”?

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You know what, whatever, see it your way. I'm not gonna bother arguing about this anymore because you're missing the point of what I was saying. Way to kill my motivation to post here.

Reminder that this thread literally has "MINOR DETAILS" in the fucking title. If you haven't noticed it, awesome, I didn't either until it was just pointed out to me, but come the fuck on, give Cuzco a break, he absolutely knows what he's talking about when it comes to BGanimations. As pointless as they are to me, a twat who plays everything with backgrounds off or static whenever he can.

They are ABSOLUTELY meant to be synced to the music (Legend of MAX being a prime example of this), so you can't say "saying they aren't synced just makes no sense" and "just say they're supposed to change every four measures or so".

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I feel as though what Cuzco was talking about was pretty clear, cut & dry. Don't quite understand why it turned into a debacle. Just a minor inconveniences thread. There's no need to argue for the sake of arguing.

To try and swing things back to normal, let me say that I don't like how the Key Disc system worked for the early beatmania CS titles. I get what they were trying to do, but forcing newer content to play on older, more antiquated, UI and coding just doesn't work. And trying to get the appends to work on later Key Discs is a bit of a headache too. I just want to enjoy the GOTTAMIX/GOTTAMIX2 songs on a game that plays well and looks nice. Guess I'll be stuck playing those songs on BEST HITS because the og beatmania UI sucks an entire fuck.

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Yeah, this was weird. Especially when I first saw it in Party Edition and didn't see the other banner at all until SN1. I take a pretty dim view of the "FUCK IT, ARIAL BOLD IT IS" banners at the best of times.

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With the talk earlier about background videos, I have a take on the opposite.

In the PS2 pre-SuperNOVA games, that small floor that appears under the characters when you turn off background videos are more distracting than they should be. At times, it takes away from watching the dance animations of the characters.

Example:


And my response from DarkFeline:
Not to mention that in the US version, playing songs that are supposed to have unique videos, but have them turned off, makes you feel like you're playing the first DDR SN again because no cut-ins appear at all.

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^Hahaha yeah I knew that, too. Probably a programming oversight on their part. It wasn't like that in DDR X.

I actually have a lot of things regarding the case of two dancers that annoy me but I don't feel like posting it because that would be nitpicking, especially since dancers are just there for aesthetic purposes, considering MAX-EXTREME only had the dancers in videos (some of them lacking any dancers).

Oh and what's your opinion of Put Your Faith in Me Jazzy Groove's script in DS Fever being a direct copy of the original Put Your Faith in Me script in DDRMAX2?

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