DanceDanceRevolution SuperNOVA2 (AC) (Japan)

Lol, you should look at ACROSS THE NIGHTMARE on DDR EXTREME then. That's a 8/9 footer for EXP/CHA and it's 300bpm.

Quote: al2k4
Lol, you should look at ACROSS THE NIGHTMARE on DDR EXTREME then. That's a 8/9 footer for EXP/CHA and it's 300bpm.

I know.

They should drop ATN to 150 BPM just so PARANOiA Hades, MAX 300, and PARANOiA Respect won't feel so embarassed being at 300 BPM for most of their stepchart.

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I dont know, I kinda wish there were MORE 9 footers at 300BPM or more so it doesn't look like 10 footers are simply 10 footers cause they're fast.

Quote: viper086770
I dont know, I kinda wish there were MORE 9 footers at 300BPM or more so it doesn't look like 10 footers are simply 10 footers cause they're fast.

I do like how Flow ~true style~ hits 280 and gets close (which is an 8 by the way), but breaking the 300 barrier with more charts rated less than 10 could be pretty cool! I'm sure Konami could easily pull it off by just simply doubling a few BPM's on the next batch.

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Quote: FELMDemon

Quote: Oni-91 Well, it's 75-150-300 BPM. (OK, that came out wrong. And Across the nightmare is an 8 for Heavy...) Well, it is either going to be an 8, 9 or 10, and I think the song doesn't have the '10-footer' feel to it. Wait... 300 BPM? I have to see this. 300 BPM songs should never be given charts that aren't at least 10 footer status or a really respectable 9 chart in terms of difficulty. That gives a bad reputation to MAX 300, PARANOiA Hades, PARANOiA Respect and any other song that owns up to its 10 footer status.

so what youre saying is that we should step to nothing on 300 BPM songs to make them harder.

IIRC, ATN is legitimately 300 BPM and not doubled. why half it?

if anything, they should have made max300, hades, respect, LOM, etc 150(165 in LOMs case) 16th note clusters. THAT is actually hard. playing legend road is like playing an oni course on X2, if those songs were at their musical BPMs how much harder would that course be? ITG can make real 10s without doubling BPM, so can DDR. as such, 300 BPM songs dont have to be 10s, its just a built in speed mod for most of them anyway.

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bag has the most annoying in-built speed mod of all.

But I agree, songs that are not at their musical bpm technically has an in-built speed mod in them.

Pluto Relinquish is 100bpm musically believe it or not. !

I'd rather have it all at 100 than 100-200-400-800... at least that way we'd stand a sporting chance with speed mods...

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Pluto Relinquish is only 400/800 when there's the 'beats' at the background music. (The stream at the end)

Anyway, I think making fast songs 8/9 footers are a good choice. It makes people able to play fast songs without needing to 'practice' for the 10-footers. The transition between 9-footers to 10-footers is really far. (Compare any 150+- BPM song with MAX 300 =.=)

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comparing 9s ONLY in the 150 BPM range to max300 is stupid. the transition from CH or HVAM to max300 isnt nearly as big.

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Yeah, it is, actually... I can AA HVAM or CH, but am only 50-50 on clearing MAX 300. Granted, a lot of that has to do with the stop in the middle... throws my momentum off.

When you're my size, what inertia giveth inertia can also taketh away... lol

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how big? i'm 5'9" and 225 pounds, and max300 is a pretty easy AA.

that aside, the gap between CH or HVAM and max300 is a lot smaller than, say... dynamite rave and max300, or burning heat and max300.

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Lol TRIP MACHINE PhoeniX and NGO too.

Quote: n00b_saib0t

Quote: FELMDemon Quote: Oni-91 Well, it's 75-150-300 BPM. (OK, that came out wrong. And Across the nightmare is an 8 for Heavy...) Well, it is either going to be an 8, 9 or 10, and I think the song doesn't have the '10-footer' feel to it. Wait... 300 BPM? I have to see this. 300 BPM songs should never be given charts that aren't at least 10 footer status or a really respectable 9 chart in terms of difficulty. That gives a bad reputation to MAX 300, PARANOiA Hades, PARANOiA Respect and any other song that owns up to its 10 footer status. so what youre saying is that we should step to nothing on 300 BPM songs to make them harder. IIRC, ATN is legitimately 300 BPM and not doubled. why half it? if anything, they should have made max300, hades, respect, LOM, etc 150(165 in LOMs case) 16th note clusters. THAT is actually hard. playing legend road is like playing an oni course on X2, if those songs were at their musical BPMs how much harder would that course be? ITG can make real 10s without doubling BPM, so can DDR. as such, 300 BPM songs dont have to be 10s, its just a built in speed mod for most of them anyway.

That wasn't even close to what I was trying to say.

All I'm saying is that if a song is 300 BPM, it should have a 10 footer chart or a respectable 9. It's just an opinion. Sure it would be harder to have it scroll at 150, but then again there are plenty of songs at that speed that have 16th notes and it wouldn't become noticable.

And do you really think MAX300 sounds better as MAX150?

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Haha, if it began with MAX150 and MAX300 wasn't even heard of I bet it would've worked too. XD

MAX ONE-FIFTY! Well, it could have!

who says it has to be called max150 if it doesnt scroll at 300 BPM? thats just a cute gimmick.

also, go into stepmania and play max300 at x.5 and tell me it compares to other 150 BPM songs with 16ths.

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Oh dear, that was somewhat hard to read.

haha, i know. now go try and pass trick oni, last song is max300 x.25 :p

i got to it once, and when i saw the arrows were on the screen from the beginning instead of scrolling into view after a second or two, i walked off the pad. havnt played trick once since.

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Quote: n00b_saib0t
how big? i'm 5'9" and 225 pounds, and max300 is a pretty easy AA. that aside, the gap between CH or HVAM and max300 is a lot smaller than, say... dynamite rave and max300, or burning heat and max300.

6'2", 240, 28" legs, mildly asthmatic. Getting going again after the stop typically leaves me sucking wind.

Were it not for that, though, I agree... it wouldn't be a whole lot harder than CH.

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Quote: n00b_saib0t
haha, i know. now go try and pass trick oni, last song is max300 x.25 :p i got to it once, and when i saw the arrows were on the screen from the beginning instead of scrolling into view after a second or two, i walked off the pad. havnt played trick once since.

I did.

MAX 300 is boring when it is slow with 16th steps

And if I wanted to see 32nd steps, I would play PARANOiA Hades.

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Well I agree with FELMDemon about 300BPM songs having a 'respectable 9-footer chart'. Poseidon is a nice song anyway.

Well I guess it's the speed and the stamina that matters. I think we just can't compare HVAM with MAX 300 since they have different play styles. (doublestep vs stream)

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