DDR X2 (AC) (International)

I love how we're discussing charts that nobodyreally plays.

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They must have changed it again then. I read that it was a 15 in the X {AC}.

A 9 translates to what... a 7 on the old scale? I find it extremely funny how the beginner chart for this song is considered tougher than the Expert charts of many other songs. I suppose Konami thinks very highly of speed as a difficulty booster.

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For a long while (with the exception of EuroMix2) the difficulty of Beginner charts was determined by the song's BPM and not how the actual chart was stepped. (0-179: 1. 180-249: 2. 250+: 3.

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I think the Stepmania grading system is fantastic and I vote for the addition of AAAA in DDR.
Also there is ONE SENTENCE that talks about ITG. I for one think the ITG scoring system is absolutely fantastic and should be in all dance games, but alas, it probably won't go down well with Japanese players but I could be wrong :/

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n00b_saib0t and Mercury : +1

Seriously, i don't see the problem with the AAAA grade. This should be in ddr.
Something that said "you finished the song" since Marvelous is appears on regular play on SN2.
AAA with 52 perfect or 0 is VERY different (huge accuracy gap). Instead of calling this "mavelous full combo" they should change "AAA" into "AAAA".

And like Mercury, i love itg's scoring system. I think he is fair. Marvelous/Perfect has only 10 points difference on ddr, witch is ridiculous

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An AAAA would be cool, but I think it's a little too (or rather way too) difficult to obtain to call for a whole letter grade dedicated to it. The vast majority of songs on Expert/Challenge would probably never be AAAAed by anyone anywhere.

If they added something like that, it would probably be better if it was "Golden AAA" or something like that, showing that it's a higher tier of AAA.

For the record, Faxx Light Doubles has an amazing freestyle freeze arrow during the slowdown. It's even cooler than Unlimited's Light Doubles chart.



Fixed? Anyway, I really like all the little flags and awards you can get on the results screen (i.e. single digit greats, black flag, single digit excellents... even stuff pointing out Great attacks are awesome little additions).

As Marvs are tighter than Fantastics though, I'd want them to lower the requirements for letter grades (especially AA) to make them feasible without ridiculous MA ability. What was the scoring system in ITG anyway... *heads over to GrooveStats and Recall* OK, looks like Fantastics/Freezes/Mines are 5 DP, Excellents are 4 DP, Greats are 2 DP, Decents are 0, Way Offs are -6 and Misses are -11. In comparison, post-SuperNova Marvs/Perfs/freezes are basically 2 DP, Greats are 1 DP and non-combos are 0. In Oni mode, Marvs/freezes are 3 DP instead - this 3-to-2 ratio is a much bigger difference to Perfects than ITG's 5-to-4, and combined with Marvs' tighter window make it hard to break even 90% on courses. So I wouldn't mind something like 5/4/2/0 (that is, give Marvs 25% more weight than Perfs instead of 10 more points), but I think they should bring it in slowly to see how it takes. Also choosing new grade borders is pretty big. I think they should test out a new grading system like this in course mode, since those scores don't have letter grades and are only compared to themselves.

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If AAAAs were added, it would be inevitable that the requirement for them would be lowered eventually, since it happened with AAs (which used to only be full combos) and AAAs (which used to only be perfect combos). You can't expect anyone to get all Marvelouses on an 18, so there shouldn't be a grade for it, just like MAX isn't an actual grade in IIDX, since you can't expect anyone to get that on the harder songs.

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I think the charts in 19 or 20 will come out to DDR X2...

Remember the crossovers from IIDX?
They're not CUT the songs. There's a possibility of 19 and 20 popping out.
Then, Possession has 18 on . Maybe It has with 19 (could be 'shock arrow'-ed or harder step)

Or, maybe NAOKI has secret song to kick the X2 to the new hard song?


Agreed.

Something that KONAMI should see..
But, is the MARVELOUS FULL COMBO statement is enough (for now)?
Coz I think that some pro players could make some MFC, but for n00b & amateur it's REALLY hard to achieve MFC..

jesus christ people. players get better at dance games, this is why AAAA is needed. by the logic that it cant be done now, 5 years ago we didnt need anything above a B grade in ITG because thats all the best players could get on pandemonium. its gone up to a FC tri-star now, so pull your heads out of your asses and see what people are capable of improving. like i said, back in the 7th mix days an afronova AAA was unheard of, but it happened. its only a matter of time until someone starts MFCing on expert, just like it was only a matter of time(took a few years) to get the first quad-star. people kept saying it wouldnt happen, "13 on da roots is the closest anyone has gotten, and it was da roots for god's sake. no one will ever do it". now fucking DELIRIUM has been quad-starred. its just a matter of time before some crazy japanese mother fucker MFC's max300 and all you dip shits are saying "why the hell hasnt konami added AAAA yet? those lazy fuckers".

quick question, what the hell changed everyone's mind since the SN2 AC thread when one of the japanese players MFCed raspberry heart and we all went ape shit over the absence of AAAA?

think about all that and get back to me.

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Okay, sorry if I make you mad...
I know there are so many good DDR players, especially in Japan & America.

At here, it's quite difficult to achieve MFC. Because the lack of DDR machines & we're not always playing DDR everyday..
That's just an opinion, right?

If AAAA is possible, that's should be good then.

adding earth pluto's post: and the condition of the machine is not too good.

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I think it's fine to stay at MFC since that's something that can't have its requirement lowered like a grade can, and it can still be shown off, since it shows behind AAA in the song select and results screen. Also, as far as I know (though I may very well be wrong), you can't sort by what grade you get on a song, so it's not something that needs to be separate from MFC, all it will probably do is make more MFCs necessary to unlock various (sometimes useless) things on console versions, especially with the Dice Master Mode missions on X2.

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I hope they licenses some Kotoko songs, that'd be pretty sweeeet.

License some who?

great, we moved on to a itg rating with 1* 2* 3* and 4*

I woke up and saw that there was over three pages worth of new replies and thought we got some new info or something. I was wrong.

and why are you guys even compaining about AAAA grade? From what I see only a few people should have that argument - dr.d, n00b, djsterf and a couple of others - as they have the skills needed to even reach that grade.

I can't AAA jack shit so I don't even care, and neither should the majority of you, considering the scores put in the score tracker for you guys.

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I for one am the type of person who likes to inquire on the mechanics of the game, even if it doesn't always really apply to me all that much. Maybe I'm interested in how the overall scope of the game works rather than just interested in what I myself will earn.

Well, but on Course mode, it won't be ridiculous anymore

Remember this video?
You'll need about 1126 Marvelous & 45 Perfect to get an AAA(990,xxx)

For me, i'll never get such a high score. My highest score for Ranking Course 4 Difficult was 981108......
(1039 Marvelous, 83 Perfect, 4 Great)

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I am in favor of adding the AAAA in DDR AC.

For one it just makes sense. Why havent we had it since DDR SN2?

Though we can see each mix since SN2 has improved it starting with SN2 still giving you a AAA Perfect Full Combo and then DDR X giving you a AAA but Marvelous Full Combo. Hopefully with this trend the will made the addition of the AAAA in X2. Also if you remember I did mention to U-San at the test location to consider making the addition of the AAAA mentioning that players are getting MFC's in DDR X and would like to see more of a reward for them.

Off the top of my head I can name at least a dozen Expert/Challenge songs which have indeed been MFCed including my own MFC on. Reach Up.

This is not to begin to count the MFCs on Single/Double beginner-Difficult which must be such a huge # by now.

In conclusion DDR players are in need of more motivation to achieve MFC's and what better motivation can come if players learn they can achieve AAAA's instead of AAA's.

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