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Post #8221 · Posted at 2011-11-04 09:01:56am 13.6 years ago

Offline agentmargo
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Last updated: 2011-11-04 09:02am
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No, man, replace the GH cabs.
That only applies to DisneyQuest.
Not necessarily, that also applies to the arcade in my town with a messed up DDR Extreme machine. I specifically came in and spoke to the manager about how that machine needs the pads replaced and I gave him and advertisement about the new DDR X2 arcade. I came back later on to find that the DDR Extreme cab was neglected and moved towards the back of the arcade where all the machines about to leave go and a shiny brand new GH cab was in its place. It's like he didn't hear a word I said! (when margo gets mad)

Post #8222 · Posted at 2011-11-04 09:29:56am 13.6 years ago

Offline 8ftmetalhead
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Well, Asian cabs ARE legal in New Zealand as well as Australia, right?

Correct, New Zealand would be just as likely as Australia to get asian upgrade cabinets. Which is completely useless to our goals, as the unlock codes don't work on those.

plus this assumes that an arcade in new zealand would be decent enough to get a new ddr machine. NUP.
One was considering it, he asked what I thought of it. I told him the euro/us cabs are naff but maintainable. Haven't heard anything since.

Then again that same manager hasn't fixed their broken Extreme, nor have they taken me up on my suggestion that they convert it to OITG.

Then again again that same manager runs many arcades in cinemas where the games aren't priced competitively, they're priced according to how bored the customers get while waiting for the movies.

Post #8223 · Posted at 2011-11-04 10:06:05am 13.6 years ago

Offline KKiONI
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Quote: agentmargo
Quote: hooky
Quote: Aegis
No, man, replace the GH cabs.
That only applies to DisneyQuest.
Not necessarily, that also applies to the arcade in my town with a messed up DDR Extreme machine. I specifically came in and spoke to the manager about how that machine needs the pads replaced and I gave him and advertisement about the new DDR X2 arcade. I came back later on to find that the DDR Extreme cab was neglected and moved towards the back of the arcade where all the machines about to leave go and a shiny brand new GH cab was in its place. It's like he didn't hear a word I said! (when margo gets mad)
That's my arcade minus me confronting the manager and explaining my concerns. My town has so many neglected machines and yet they have the money to spend on a GH cabinet. Though I laugh because they spend big bucks on the things and end up suffering because no one plays it. Still though I kind of wish they spent it on something more worthwhile coughnewDDRcabinetcough

My local arcade reopened not too long ago and I'm praying they may have upgraded their DDR machine. Although part of me is worried they may have gotten rid of the machine.

Post #8224 · Posted at 2011-11-05 06:41:16am 13.6 years ago

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Last updated: 2011-11-05 06:43am
Okay, so I may have been mistaken about Decade and All My Love, those do appear right after the pop songs. Also noticed somebody entered the MAX > MAX #2 code later on - does this generally disable ToE and Ish until re-enabled usually?



You can see the J-pop songs are still rearranged, however. And when I DID play the former, because I KNOW I've played it on foot and this cab is currently the only way that's possible for me, they did appear BEFORE the boss/RDA songs. (Just before sakura storm, IIRC; although I don't know how that's considered "boss-level" in any way.)

Also, forgive the "bleah" sound quality. Wanted to make sure the video capture was up to snuff. My laptop STILL broke it up into about twenty pieces, and the timer forced cut-out/effortless plays of "Gotta Dance" and "888." I am the same "D34D M34T" on the latter's scoreboard.
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Post #8225 · Posted at 2011-11-05 06:58:47am 13.6 years ago

Offline Arctic Wolves
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does this generally disable ToE and Ish until re-enabled usually?

No, because they cannot be unlocked on a US machine, period.
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Post #8226 · Posted at 2011-11-05 08:31:37am 13.6 years ago

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Quote: Arctic Wolves
Quote: Nightime
does this generally disable ToE and Ish until re-enabled usually?

No, because they cannot be unlocked on a US machine, period.

Correct. They just don't exist in US/Europe machine. So there's no way you can find them in a US machine.

Aaand AFAIK Japanese machines lose their unlocks when disconnected from eAmuse network, so...
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Post #8227 · Posted at 2011-11-05 11:04:18am 13.6 years ago

Offline luigi.a.cruz
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Sorry if this has been asked already. This is for those who have access to arcade cabinet of DDR X 2 wherein all of its songs and courses have been completely unlocked.

1.) Does the condition for Extra stage still apply?
2.) On Extra stage, are all difficulties of song "Kimono {Heart} princess" available? If yes, will the player obtain Encore extra stage afterwards if he uses any difficulty other than Expert and got performance grade of at least AA?
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Post #8228 · Posted at 2011-11-05 05:00:16pm 13.6 years ago

Offline mageman17
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1. Yes.
2. I think the 40-difficulty points thing still applies, so no.

Anyone can correct what I said on this.
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Post #8229 · Posted at 2011-11-05 06:44:21pm 13.6 years ago

Offline ddr_ray
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Last updated: 2011-11-05 06:59pm
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Aaand AFAIK Japanese machines lose their unlocks when disconnected from eAmuse network, so...
Just set the Network setting to Local Mode, & the unlocks will be selectable again.

Quote: mageman17
1. Yes.
2. I think the 40-difficulty points thing still applies, so no.
Yes.

But fyi, if it's on a unlocked machine (where KIMONO♥PRINCESS is unlocked), the following below will do:

~X2 Extra stage requirement~
A player need to get at least an AA for all the stages & the 40-difficulty points can be ignored.
NOTE:
1st 2nd, Final
AA (or AAA), A, AAA (Any order) won't get you extra stage.

For 2 players, either side need to get at least an AA for all the stages & the 40-difficulty points can be ignored too.
Example:
1st 2nd, Final
P1 → AA, Any other grade, AA
P2 → Any other grade, AA, Any other grade

As for getting Encore extra stage, any players need to play KIMONO♥PRINCESS on Heavy & get at least an AA.
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Post #8230 · Posted at 2011-11-13 05:48:13am 13.6 years ago

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Thought I'd post this here, this is the current design of DDRX2 dedicabs.

A solution for those machines that problems with sticking/other, is to add washers to each of the corners. This is so that the brackets do not apply any extra force on the panel.

If the above solution does not rectify the problem, find the problematic sensor and disconnect it. This design is that sensitive, that it can rely on one sensor per panel and still be as sensitive as an original cabinet.
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Post #8231 · Posted at 2011-11-13 11:16:58am 13.6 years ago

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Ha, my arcade disconnected all the sensors and replaced them with sensors from a Japanese machine.
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Post #8232 · Posted at 2011-11-13 01:22:29pm 13.6 years ago

Offline mageman17
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"MAGGLE"
And what does that indicate, Silverhawke?

Does it mean it's now working like a japanese DDR X dedicab?
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Thank you so much, Lord Toon!

Post #8233 · Posted at 2011-11-13 01:58:41pm 13.6 years ago

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I think it was yindesu that had this problem....The local X2 machine's 2p sides arrows are controlling the selection buttons. At the beginning of each songs, speed mods will change when stepping on the left and right arrows. How does this problem get fixed?

Post #8234 · Posted at 2011-11-13 02:08:59pm 13.6 years ago

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Quote: mageman17
And what does that indicate, Silverhawke?

Does it mean it's now working like a japanese DDR X dedicab?

Sensors work longer than their Betson counterpart. More than 4 months of heavy playing and still no problems regarding the pads Big Grin
no sticking, no breaking down Big Grin

But I think we're lucky also to have no crosswiring (the problem Skeeter mentioned). One strange thing, one machine had crosswiring but I managed to input MAX unlock code successfully.
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Post #8235 · Posted at 2011-11-13 08:57:25pm 13.6 years ago

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It's actually impossible to fix original sensors in this design Silverhawke. I would really like to see pictures of this, because the exact width is 8mm per sensor in X2.

Quote: Skeeter
I think it was yindesu that had this problem....The local X2 machine's 2p sides arrows are controlling the selection buttons. At the beginning of each songs, speed mods will change when stepping on the left and right arrows. How does this problem get fixed?

IO board is fucked or a wire is merging the two signals. The IO board on X2 uses the same line as the pads on the JAMMA to detect input, however it uses a "KEY" system to determine the difference. On all X1/X2 cabinets this major flaw in the design allows you to play the game with buttons, rather than play the game with your feet.



To replicate this video simply hold the same button on the control panel as what you are stepping (i.e UP & UP). Hit any button on the control button and it will think its the pad. My only guess with the machine yindesu plays on is that the key is constantly stuck down or the IO board is fucked.
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Post #8236 · Posted at 2011-11-13 11:49:30pm 13.6 years ago

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It's actually impossible to fix original sensors in this design Silverhawke. I would really like to see pictures of this, because the exact width is 8mm per sensor in X2.

I think this is an interesting topic to discuss

http://www.voguehost.com/ims/u/max2themax/Pluit%20Village/EMpo-X2-pad-mod-1.jpg

This is how i replaced the f*cked betson sensors with 'authentic sensors'

they last for weeks until now, except some of them are survived for only 1-2 weeks (I think the sensors are not really from Japan, so they got f*cked up from barbaric play just as betson's)

the sensor socket just fit into the available socket inside the pad.

now we only need to raise the pads a little to solve the decals. I modded a little bit with white thin plastic material to raise the pads and they worked perfectly.

Now i really need to know how to fix the cross-wiring problem because i can't put the final unlock code on the machine Sad

is it from the mainboard or just the software problem that we need to 'Reset To Factory Settings' to solve that?
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Post #8237 · Posted at 2011-11-14 02:15:35am 13.6 years ago

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It's not a software issue, I believe you should and re-seat the JAMMA connector in the machine and post results here. Failing that, I am certain you'd need to call Betson and ask for a new IO board. I can give you the model number for one if you need it.
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Post #8238 · Posted at 2011-11-14 04:05:38am 13.6 years ago

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Quote: Brazen
It's actually impossible to fix original sensors in this design Silverhawke. I would really like to see pictures of this, because the exact width is 8mm per sensor in X2.

Quote: Skeeter
I think it was yindesu that had this problem....The local X2 machine's 2p sides arrows are controlling the selection buttons. At the beginning of each songs, speed mods will change when stepping on the left and right arrows. How does this problem get fixed?

IO board is fucked or a wire is merging the two signals. The IO board on X2 uses the same line as the pads on the JAMMA to detect input, however it uses a "KEY" system to determine the difference. On all X1/X2 cabinets this major flaw in the design allows you to play the game with buttons, rather than play the game with your feet.



To replicate this video simply hold the same button on the control panel as what you are stepping (i.e UP & UP). Hit any button on the control button and it will think its the pad. My only guess with the machine yindesu plays on is that the key is constantly stuck down or the IO board is fucked.
How would something like this happen? I played like 3 days ago and it was fine, went back yesterday and it was like that. It's pretty much given that the issue won't be fixed because the machine is in a movie theater. I have never seen a tech, nor would any employee care to say anything anyway.

Post #8239 · Posted at 2011-11-14 07:46:30am 13.6 years ago

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Quote: Skeeter
I think it was yindesu that had this problem....The local X2 machine's 2p sides arrows are controlling the selection buttons. At the beginning of each songs, speed mods will change when stepping on the left and right arrows. How does this problem get fixed?

IO board is fucked or a wire is merging the two signals. The IO board on X2 uses the same line as the pads on the JAMMA to detect input, however it uses a "KEY" system to determine the difference. On all X1/X2 cabinets this major flaw in the design allows you to play the game with buttons, rather than play the game with your feet.



To replicate this video simply hold the same button on the control panel as what you are stepping (i.e UP & UP). Hit any button on the control button and it will think its the pad. My only guess with the machine yindesu plays on is that the key is constantly stuck down or the IO board is fucked.

This was fixed a while ago by one of Round1's techs, I'm not sure how he did it though and I thought they did replace the I/O board to no effect.

By "key is constantly stuck down" do you mean the machine thinks a button on the front was always pressed? Because that was not the case (if I remember correctly), as I confirmed in Button I/O Test and Pad Test (whatever they were called).

In Button I/O Test nothing was activated in the beginning. If you hit a button a button would be triggered, and if you hit a Pad panel then it would say a Button was triggered.

Post #8240 · Posted at 2011-11-15 02:06:00am 13.6 years ago

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Does anybody know how Event Mode works in DDR X2? Is it pretty much the same as Extreme?
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