DanceDanceRevolution (PS3 & Xbox 360) (International)

lol...

Anyway, g4tv.com has some lazy motherf***ers on their site or something, the video has yet to be put up

Either that or Konami releases the "trailer" on their Youtube page sooner than theirs...

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Don't really bother with HP1's. HP2's Hand Marker system is REALLY well executed and it showed so much potential for a successor. Don't try it on Expert straight away because you'll star bashing it and start saying "Oh it doesn't work" meanwhile you're not even used to it yet. It takes time. It's taken me months to get where I'm at with it now. I have videos on YouTube as does darknight. Stick on the earlier difficulties for now then move your way up slowly. You'll also notice that the scoring system in HP2 is quite complicated.



As for my thoughts on the Closer showing.... the song wheel looks REALLY good! And I already thought the HP2 wheel was pretty good but it's finally great to finally see the Radar come! I'm really excited for the changes they're promising. I wouldn't be surprised to see Doubles play either especially given what I've just seen.

I really hope there's either a change in this song's chart or there's a Challenge chart because honestly, I could see this song being a lot of fun with Hands but the steps don't look that up to par. It could potentially have a great chart but as it stands it looks kinda easy unfortunately. If that's the case, though, I'm sure the Balance Board mode's charts will make the song harder but still.

The fact is though, the step artists that stick doublesteps in 8th streams unknowingly will do the same in 16th streams. That's why I prefer to crush it wherever it crops up without a freeze on one arrow to show that it's intentional.
From a mechanical standpoint, doublestepping is flat unnatural, because all natural motions with your feet have you alternate feet.
From the standpoint of teaching noobs how to play, it's an additional barrier. What's the first thing you tell someone? Alternate feet. With these doublestepping crap charts all over the place, you then have to tell them, well, sometimes don't alternate. It's hard enough to break them of the hopping and one-foot habits as it is, we don't need bad charts making it worse.
Then when you get into doing crossovers, which actually are fun, doublesteps suddenly come up and gee, you're facing the wrong way because you were in the middle of crossing over on a sightread, so you get screwed. Then it's a matter of being able to trust the step artist to not make you do anything you can't do on a sightread. If you can't trust the artist, then the feel of playing changes to more of an opposition stance, where you have to oppose what the chart is doing in order to get through the song. To me, that oppositional stance isn't fun. I am very much a sightread player. If a chart requires a clear memory of a significant section, then I probably won't play it much, because I can't just come back and enjoy it again several months down the line.

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Another pic of what seems to be the PS2 demonstration.

(@ Headline of new 8-panel Solo Mode)

OH. HELL. YES. "". AAA

EDIT: I hope this mode is available on the PS2 version (or at LEAST 6-panel), as well. And I'm guessing PS2/Wii versions will be sold in 3 volumes @ ~50 songs each, rather than the DLC approach. I'm guessing the PS2 extra mode is still Hands & Feet via EyeToy, though.

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More digging and I've found another potential artist plus a second mention of Lady Gaga....


Maybe they thought Britney Spears was in because of My Prerogative? Unless a different song (bet ya it's Toxic) is in? I dunno. I was hoping she wouldn't appear but whatever.

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Maybe the amateur step artist yeah. The amateur step artist will also have you facing the same direction for an entire song. But double stepping in general, to me, is not bad. But requiring a freeze to double step can mean a bad chart. I'd use freezes where warranted, such as when the song holds a note. I would never use a freeze just to force a double step.

I wouldn't say it's unnatural. If it were, then newbs wouldn't "naturally" do it It's just a bit more uncomfortable.


I think you're exaggerating just a bit. I've never seen anybody play light proficiently and use one foot. Especially wen you get until 8th note streams. No one ever had to tell me I need to alternate my feet, I just figured it out and it felt more comfortable. I think it's harder teaching a newb how to listen for the rhythm and turning in a long stream than to avoid double stepping on basic songs.


You can't expect to AAA every song on sight read. Seriously, if you screw up, then you'll play the song a few more times and realize where you can adjust your steps so that you're not faced in an awkward position. A great example is Red Zone's end stream. When I first played it, I had to double step and I was placed into very awkward positions trying to avoid double stepping, but I couldn't. then I adjusted my play style so that I started the stream facing right with my left foot on the right arrow and realized the chart has you rotating to the left, facing away from the screen for two measures, back to standard streams and ending with 180 degree turn counter clockwise and then reversing the turn clockwise to end the song. On sight read, I NEVER would have gotten that. Many people would double step to that and do fine, I got better and do the entire stream with not a single double step. If you play DDR so sparsely that you cannot remember parts of a song and it becomes a sight read every time you play, then that's not the fault of the step artist.

So the xbox 360 series will finally have dancers just like the PS2 and wii series or will the 360 ver will still use graphics?

More digging!


Also, could this be the mode they're designing for those without a Balance Board?

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There's also mention of a "Hyper Mode". It's also mentioned here: Link

Wow...that's A LOT of US licenses for the available song list if it were to be true...

50 songs on both the 360 and PS3 might mean something, and that something is leaning towards the "full of licenses" list of songs, however if i am correct, the 150+ DLC will be the backup that will ultimately shape the game into a DDR game if what they say the DLC will include songs from the past + "newer" songs.

How many people willing to bet that this might be true (around 20 licenses, 30 KO's, and 150+ KO/Licenses/crossovers)?

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Double-stepping for a few songs is okay, but having the majority of Expert charts requiring such (hello there, HP2/FuruFuru!) is total garbage though. And some of the patternwork on Disturbia's second half pointed towards that direction, which is a little bit offputting.

More tracklist info here!

Yes! Feel Good, Inc. and My Prerogative... and it looks like a throwback to another 3rdMix classic is in there, too.

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I'll put money in that pot.

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I think this majorly depends on who is developing these titles I think PS2 and Wii are safe to say Japan is developing it. 360/PS3 I would say are being developed by the US. If they're all being developed by Japan I would be very surprised.

Double-stepping in some songs is alright, yes, as someone mentionned earlier, Daikenkai and Healing Vision Angelic Mix, some parts of Orion.78(Civilisation Mix) use it as a way to make the song more challenging and it's alright. Some other songs use simple spins like Saturn, which are alright and make them way more fun to play, but when there is double stepping caused by freezes or by obvious poor stepping from Konami, it loses the fun for me. (I just remembered how I hated the steps of No Crime because of the double stepping involved in it... I have never seen the chart with hands though...)

I play DDR practically every day still. But I have so many songs that I may go without playing a particular song for months at a time.
Also, my perspective is influenced by doubles, where alternating feet is even more important because it positions you to be close to the upcoming steps.

As for the bit about memorizing, it's worth noting that most step artists have turned away from making the player actually have to memorize the actual arrows. Some artists use speed changes, but they don't force you to memorize the arrows. Now why would it be that so many step authors eliminate doublestepping and in their charts, except for a few charts where it fits...?

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Check the info section.

"Download over 150 songs from past games and new songs on the Xbox 360 and PS3..."

So yeah, I'm guessing much (100+) of the DLC will be revival material. How this affects the PS2/Wii ports is anybody's guess; but the rest of the DLC's will probably be or include the unlockables from other consoles. They may all get a bit of exclusive materials each, though. I can see PS2 not having/needing "custom dancers," for instance.

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DanceDanceRevoluton will be like TechnoMotion?! With diagonals movements...? In 8 panels?

I was looking at the chart again before replying; I can do the spins. The real question though is if I would play that song on pad (singles)?

If you start the the song with your left foot and alternate feet, you'll be in an awkward position for nine measures. The freeze arrow before the gallops fix your positioning before playing the rest of chart.

The song sounds too short.

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This article states 30 licenses plus 20 BEMANI originals for all versions.

Should be the minimal amount I think.

Dubbing them as ports (especially the Wii version) is kinda inaccurate.


Must be snce as I mentioned earlier, IGN cited at least 60 songs for the PS3/360 versions IIRC.
30 licenses is quite a bit. I hope they're quality licenses and so far, that seems to be the case. I'm hoping I'll be surprised by the other choices. I really hope Wii gets DLC or some of the songs that will be DLC, anything. I'm hoping it won't be set to exactly 50 songs...