[AC] StepManiaX produced by Kyle Ward

n00b, as a fellow Jew, you and I both know groups are not monoliths. So get out of here with that dumbassery.

It is quite ironic to see all of these posts coming from USA flags. The Spanish speaking portion of Latin America would honestly appreciate the representation in the game, anything referencing Brazil already hypes us Brazilians like crazy

here's a german flag and i agree with extra and ninja and astro etc.

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That's amazing! Maybe there will be more than two SMX machines down there one day.

The people speaking about this are talking about it as an American game from an American perspective that is primarily making it toward American audiences.

Of course groups aren’t monoliths, no one claimed they were. You also don’t need to be offended on behalf of someone who isn’t offended. If you have parts of a group speaking up that something is offensive and they aren’t being heard, have their back. If that group isn’t saying that, what are you hoping to accomplish by saying it for them exactly? There are so many examples of this happening. Brazil just got mentioned, it made me think of this happening with Mortal Kombat X.

https://www.reddit.com/r/MortalKombat/s/hBgKFzIMw3

Have a read through the comments. Since the MK community is bigger it was a discussion more likely to attract people from Brazil to come tell everyone “offended” to kick rocks, but this isn’t an uncommon thing. If these songs were really a problem to the people they’re about I promise you’d have heard from them before they popped up in SMX.

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Are we really comparing the global reach of Super Mario Odyssey and Mortal Kombat to this fucking game.

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also it's not just about the stereotypes, the artist has done literal black/brownface even today

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I'm just saying we shouldn't assume that it's not offensive, just based on what we've observed in the past. If the majority of a group does not take offense to what the portrayal is, that's great. But we shouldn't just assume that based on things we've seen in another media directed toward derogated groups, and we especially shouldn't just use our own experiences as derogated groups (a completely different group) and our own feelings about how our culture is presented to make assumptions about others. I'm not offended by Weird Al either, but I'm not gonna speak on behalf of the Jewish community just because of how I feel.

No we are talking about people getting offended on someone else’s behalf. It’s kinda weird that you want to make it about the popularity of the media in question.

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i think this is very much in bad faith considering the vast latinoamerican and hispanic population within the US. my current closest round1 and one of the SMXs near me is smack dab in the middle of a huge hispanic community, and the locals there, some of them my friends absolutely WOULD think that shit is weird as hell. i dont see a problem with speaking up. same place has a TETOTExCONNECT machine that people give weird looks because one of the mascots is a gorilla with chains labelled "MC" dressed in urban streetwear.

i have no idea what is so controversial behind that even or why some of you get to eating the entire boot but also i think some of you genuinely don't even like this song and just want to partake in being devils advocate anyways lol

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The entire point I was trying to make is not to speak for entire communities or groups of people, so we actually might just agree here more than we initially realized.

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The issue I have with this argument is that this is an American game for an American audience, and the people who could potentially be offended are members of minority groups in America. Latinos in America are going to have a different experience as a minority in this country than those in their home countries.

Regardless of anyone's stance on if the songs are racist are not (personally, I strongly feel they are), it's not bad feedback for the StepManiaX developers to hear. These songs could potentially put off or offend groups of people. I think it's important to understand that! Even if you don't come to the same conclusion about the offensiveness of the songs, I don't think it's fair to just plug your ears and act like it's some overexaggerated internet hoity-toity social justice thing. There have been discussions about the racism of these songs by this guy for years and years. Is it worth it for StepManiaX to potentially alienate an audience because the developers like these songs? Probably not!

Also the comparison to Mario wearing a typical Mexican outfit in a game that's about Mario exploring different worlds is nonsensical. That's a lot different than a musician who has multiple acts where the point is that he's doing "funny accents." The songs are meant to be funny, and the punchline is accents and stereotypes.

Okay, I’ll say this one more time then I’m done. I didn’t compare the songs to Mario itself. I compared two times (actually 4 times but it’s weird some of you just latch onto a specific one) a group of people jumped up to speak on behalf of an entire other group they feel would be offended by something, and how in all those other situations the “wronged” group had a lot of people speaking up about how dumb the supposed outrage on their behalf was. That’s what I’m bringing up. The “wronged” group in these scenarios, I’m not directly comparing these songs to Mario Odyssey, Mr. Game & Watch, Golden Girls, or Mortal Kombat.

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Aren't you doing a similar thing by loudly sharing your opinion as if it's fact before hearing from someone in the "wronged" group? Instead of being offended on another group's behalf, you're dismissing concerns on another group's behalf.

who was coming out and defending the Mr. Game and Watch thing?? that WAS actually really racist, an attack that was a reference to a game that very obviously demonized native americans. glad they at least got rid of the feather and cloth on that.

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Hi, Latino here. I hate to say this but I for one don't find someone making a mockery of someone else's appearance or culture something to be proud of. So NO I deff don't appreciate that kind of representation in the game. There are so many actual Latin artists that could represent my culture in a better light. I appreciate everyone who is flagging the concern and I will say to those that think its not a big deal that I am sure if the shoe was on the other foot you would hopefully want others to understand the concern.

umm no did you not read the thread it's just nostalgia for the 2000s?? silly you~

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jennycool's explanations are perfect!

Okay I guess I'm back. If you can show me where I once gave my opinion of the songs, much less "loudly" (as if I'm any louder than anyone else posting here, including you), that would be swell. I said before you made your first post that my entire point was not to jump in on behalf of an entire group of people as they don't all share one opinion and in some cases there has been a large amount of support for the thing people outside the group were upset about. Different countries have different views on these things, too. It's not just Indians, Latinos, and whatever groups that were parodied in the songs as a whole. Indians in India might largely feel differently about it than Indians in the US. Latinos actually living in South America might feel differently about it than Latinos living in North America. They aren't all just one group, and within the different groups there will still be differing opinions on it. Someone in Mexico doesn't need someone in the US deciding what is a harmful stereotype to them. Like, a couple years ago Adele posted a picture of herself with Bantu knots and a lot of people in the US were upset and tried calling out out as cultural appropriation. The people running the carnival she got them done at outside of the US thought the idea of cultural appropriation was ridiculous and loved the idea of sharing their culture and history with everyone. Lumping everyone in together as if they are one group and have one view on this is just not it. That's not "dismissing concerns".

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