DanceDanceRevolution X (AC) (International)

Is the version of XPe Konami uses that out of date? I wonder if they could use eAmuse to install Windows service packs...

Probably not.

Even if they could install Windows Service packs through eAmusement, it wouldn't help a whole lot anyway, seeing as most US/EU machines won't be connected to it :{


You're welcome.

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I just wanted to say that is a really dumb generalization. Not everyone is just being "my friend said it sucks so i'm gonna say it sucks despite never playing it". Quite a few people, myself included, have played on unpatched US DDR X cabs and that's how I came to the conclusion that they are very poorly designed. I'm not just saying it because Joe Negativity in East Bumfuck, Alabama said it sucks.

There's a difference between having a "follow-the-leader" opinion and taking what you know and making the best of it. There are too many situations where you just can't do the research first hand to count. I try not to be timid about coming to a conclusion with potentially inaccurate information, since just about everything you don't learn first hand can potentially be false. If something makes sense I tend to regard it as truth unless I hear or learn better or get corrected by someone who says they do have better experience (which itself is regarding potentially false information as the truth, until proven otherwise).

That's like someone stating that I shouldn't buy a 360 because it's likely to red-ring and then someone else goes off on one about how unreliable they are and how Microsoft should get their act together etc.
The only DDR X cabinet I've played is the one in Troc and the pads on that when new were pretty nice to play on, shame about the software build at the time, and the screen lag mind. (This was a JP built dedi)

On a sidenote, e-amuse outside asia is a pipe-dream, it's never gonna happen. (apart from ONE arcade in america that got it for SN2)

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That's exactly what it's like. Although your example is more of a weighing the pros and cons of getting a 360. You'll either decide it's not worth the risk due to the high failure rate, decide to get extra protection so you can have a 360 and if it does fail get it fixed easily, or decide that you're fire proof and yours just isn't going to fail like that. A personal decision based on the knowledge gathered. If you have never heard of RRODing or believe that it's all FUD you would be more likely to get one regardless, neh?

I'm talking about collecting information from limited sources and having to decide how much of it is factual. Or in my case, unless something clearly doesn't add up, treat all information as truthful unless/until more accurate information comes along.

I try to not to worry if a new piece of information is accurate, unless the situation calls for such trepidation, I just take it at face value.


Was it that eAmuse simply wasn't an available addon at the time (Like the false start during SuperNOVA) and that one arcade got it because they asked the right people? At least now anyone can get it if they choose... It's the fact that you have to pay extra that's going to stifle any roll out. Do Japanese arcades have to pay extra for eAmuse service?

If they are using such outdated software, you do realise all someone needs to do is to use the old USB buffer-overflow exploit from Windows XP SP1.

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But some people here are proving you wrong and you still take hearsay as truth. Like DDR X panels having one sensor per arrow or that Betson is the one who build the cabinets.These have been proven false yet you still refer to the rumor as truth. I take a more skeptical view ESPECIALLY on the internet. There are no filters on the internet to prevent the spreading of false information. So by your logic, if I told you the moon is made of cheese, you would have to believe it. I mean it makes sense that it's made of swiss cheese. It looks like it has holes in it, it's white like swiss cheese and you cannot prove otherwise by first hand experience. Everything you know about the moon is hearsay and potentially false. So if I were you, I'd grab some crackers and start boarding a rocket for the moon, it's time for a taste test.

I'm sorry I didn't stay on the up and up like you did. It was reported in many different places including here, Al himself posted a picture diagramming how the sensors were installed. If you're saying that it was eventually proven that that information was completely false to begin with I missed that bit (And would like to know more). I am currently under the impression that machines did ship with only one sensor, and as the feedback came in they started shipping with four and sending people out to existing machine to apply a fix if a complaint was received. I know that the European test machine got an update that made it play like butter but since the American test machine was different from what actually shipped I held off on a conclusion to that.

It seemed very clearly that the issue was the missing sensors (At least in regards to game playability) and that Konami focusing so hard on everything else was sweeping the biggest problem under the rug. Ergo my frustration with a company that I otherwise regard as faithful to its followers.

It's also hard to take correction from people that start their responses with "Ur stupid". I have to respect a source before I can easily trust it (Things like that fall under the common sense tells me to er category). If someone corrected you and couldn't do so without saying "You're so stupid Daiz, just shut up." would you take them seriously? Even with that, if a flamer says something that looks right despite themselves I research it to compare it to what I know. Sometimes I stick with what currently believe, sometimes I correct myself based on the new information. But the quickest way for someone sabotage their attempt to correct me is to be a dick during delivery.

As for the moon, thanks that made me smile. There was a time when it really was believed that it was made out of cheese. That the Earth was flat, that the Sun rotated around us... Just because we're wrong doesn't mean we can't improve. I know enough about the moon now to not believe anyone who says it isn't made out of rocks and dust. Should've tried me when I was a toddler. Course you can make a toddler believe just about anything... actually you can make a grown adult believe just about anything if you present it right.

tl;dr

DDRX has used 4 sensors since release. This is fact, end of discussion.

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tl;dr this is the DDRX & Related Whinging by AeronPeryton Thread (AC) (International)
but yeah the 1 sensor story originated from a video on youtube of two people showing how undersensitive the pads are on a newly-released DDR X cab in the US.

(without opening the panels at all)

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Dunno about everyone else, but I don't write the corrections for you (I was a lecturer by profession until I moved away from London a year ago[*] - the day when you start paying me money, that's when I start schooling you nicely. Until then, I'm just another joe on a forum who can do as he pleases). I write them for the benefit of everyone else reading your opinions (especially in the other thread on downgrading DDR where someone may spend nontrivial amounts of money based on the comments there). Of course, people are free to disbelieve what I say and believe you or even - shock, horror - try and find out for themselves by the most direct source possible.

Additionally, I have been discussing matters of fact, not opinion (at least in both the threads I've had the pleasure of your interaction in). This isn't some debate where your opinion matters and you can present a "case" for the forum to vote on - if you are factually incorrect on a matter, you are wrong (note: not lying, just wrong) - end of story. Of course, this is just me telling you you're wrong - I could be wrong about you being wrong (but to be fair, my sources aren't Hear'Say[**]).

[*] Don't take my word for it, google my name - at this moment in time my last work page is top hit on google.co.uk and second hit on google.com (as well on 4th hit on Linkedin). This is called "verifying facts."
[**] I never did like that band much, but I did think Myleene Klass was quite hot.


Yes. As with any arcade that wants eAmusement, they need to a) buy a dedicated eAmusement router b) pay a monthly subscription (I have no idea if this is per-arcade or per-machine, I've never bothered to enquire) and c) register the serial numbers of all machines they want connected.

As a side topic: I'm not sure about the US, but eAmusement in the EU was pimped at ATEI in both 2007 and 2008, but strangely absent in 2009.


Interesting - no idea (I don't know if Embedded was ever susceptable to that attack). Konami read a number of forums though, so perhaps your post may serve to highlight it to their attention just in case Assuming they spot it in all this noise XD

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Sorry to go off topic here, I've got interesting questions.

The newer DDR ARCs run on Win XP?

If that's the case then is possible to run Stepmania on it?

If so then I'm just shocked, ya learn something new every day.

Doubt it. KONAMI will sue if that happened.

They can't really sue if you legally own the machine. The most they can really do it not offer support if something goes wrong assuming that would break the warranty.

It's best not to respond to something you aren't willing to read.


I think I get it now, thank you.

Chi, if you can't be civil (You are now kind of, you weren't then) then it doesn't matter either way. Good for you that you have all that prestige, somehow I associate a gifted education with better manners. Maybe I'm just wrong. And if you're serious about not being nice about things unless a paycheck is involved forget it.


Why not? They've declared that the machines are always their intellectual property before.

Let's not go there. This thread is about DDR X, and if this goes any further it'll become a Konami vs RoXoR lawsuit thread... :/

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I don't think it would be as easy as plugging in a mouse and a USB stick with OpenITG. But I'm sure like ITG it could be hacked with additional music if the all the file formats could be decoded. I don't think DDR machines use plain MP3 files.

Apologies for the off-topicness here.


I) My education was earned and paid for myself, not "gifted" (and again you miss the point of me mentioning that - it wasn't a willy-waving contest, it was to illustrate that facts can be verified rather than just relying on "wot you heard").
II) You missed the point of my post and the tongue-in-cheek "you'll need to pay me before I school you nicely" comment, so I'll re-phrase it in simple language:

This forum does not revolve around you, nor is every post I make here directed at you (even if it is often responding to your ignorance and misinformation). This post does, though.

Apologies, folks - next time I post it'll be on-topic again

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