DanceDanceRevolution (AC) (Japan)

Understepped =/= bad

I mean, he's not wrong though, the chart is pretty broken but yet, there are plenty of those chart types lingering throughout DDR however, this one is really noticeable. I can understand a small pause in the chart (windy fairy, Sakura Mirage, etc. ) but there comes a point when it gets a little much.
Again, I'm not saying the chart is bad. I'm just saying it is a tad broken and could use a little extra steps

---

I mean it also doesn't imply it's good either so

---

Remain has more problems than just being understepped. The BPM for it is all over the place and hardly makes sense.

---

Yeah that too. I was extremely disappointed with it overall. I mean some spots were fun, but there was so much potential wasted.

Saturn S- and D- sucks, is probably the stepchart I hate the most, is poorly designed and the fact that it's rated a 13 makes me sick.

I completely agree about Saturn. Runner ups are Stulti and Hyena. I saw their charts on other games and was really excited, and genuinely let down when I saw them on DDR.

I'm not really versed in DDR chart knowledge, so I'm wondering, what makes a good chart or a bad chart?

---

awkward foot placement, off beat notes that don't make sense, chart randomly shifting into all green notes even though you are hitting 8th notes, speed changes or stops that aren't represented in the actual song. Not following patterns that feel extremely apparent is an arguable one.

some are pretty subjective though, i don't really like enforcing a standard of good charts.

but personally, Pa Pi Pu Yeah could be harder. not a bad chart, but just a tad too easy. it's not even a 13.

---

When did this thread turn into complaining about charts? Haha

---

Around 6-7 years ago.

---

Good = someone can pass it, bad = someone can't pass it

I can bet we spend most of this topic on random subjects, than talking about the actual game XD

well charts are a pretty integral part of game, so...

---

it's all extremely subjective. I think Pa Pi Pu's chart looks like a lot of fun. It's definitely not a 13, but it looks fun and fits the mood of the song.

Not every song needs 17+ challenge charts, and DDR isn't keysounded, so the steps don't have to match the rhythm exactly.

When i see videos of パ→ピ→プ→Yeah!, i compare it with 回レ！雪月花 (both songs are very similar, and they are made by Hige Driver). 回レ！雪月花 is the perfect example of a solid 13 chart with fun patterns. パ→ピ→プ→Yeah! is fun too, but it seems to be a solid 12 for my perspective.

In general, no one said we need +17 charts for all the songs (and i don't like the idea that all the song have because of reasons), but some , specially in this event are overstepped, just like 8000000 or パ→ピ→プ→Yeah!

There's a lot of misrated songs this mix that need to be adjusted [I could think of at least 6 off the top of my head without trying] but that's a topic for another time.

If Pa Pi Pu had the odd 16th pattern throughout most of the song, it would have been a 13.

Yeah, in other bemani games that are keysounded, you can hear a more prominent base line compared to DDR so they can step up the difficulty.

I think we're arguing different things; I definitely agree PPP should be re-rated to 12, and Kaire is probably correctly rated at 13. difficulty and enjoyment are totally separate topics (and we seem to agree PPP is fun, if just rated wrong).

as for the 17+ comment, it feels like that's everyone's response all the time when an expert chart isn't as hard as they thought it should be. Posts like "so understepped imo, konami NEEDS to make a challenge chart for this. i could totally see it being a 16/17" seem like the typical response any time a new song is unlocked.

Almost everyone can pass Saturn or A geisha's dream (ruffage remix) , and those charts are so bad