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Post #721 · Posted at 2009-12-01 11:44:33pm 15.7 years ago

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Post #722 · Posted at 2009-12-02 12:05:39am 15.7 years ago

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Second Heaven has some retarded as hell double stepping and retarded spins on those 16th note streams. They need to change the step placement.

Post #723 · Posted at 2009-12-02 12:07:38am 15.7 years ago

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Second Heaven has some retarded as hell double stepping and retarded spins on those 16th note streams. They need to change the step placement.

100% Agreed. Even DD is better than Second Heaven Steps.

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Post #724 · Posted at 2009-12-02 12:13:06am 15.7 years ago

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In Dazzlin' Darlin' the announcer is not talking about the person on the pad; he's talking about Dai.

I don't see DD EVER reaching american shores. The American populace is just not ready yet for Ryu* and Dai's dancing hotness.
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Post #725 · Posted at 2009-12-02 12:24:03am 15.7 years ago

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Quote: hyper kitten
In Dazzlin' Darlin' the announcer is not talking about the person on the pad; he's talking about Dai.

I don't see DD EVER reaching american shores. The American populace is just not ready yet for Ryu* and Dai's dancing hotness.


maybe you are correct but watch this vid:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o8qKHRMD7ME

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Post #726 · Posted at 2009-12-02 12:26:03am 15.7 years ago

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Theres a good chance some parts of Second heaven will be changed. Everyone agreed at the test location with what everyone thinks here.

Also possession and DD might get changes too.
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Post #727 · Posted at 2009-12-02 12:32:15am 15.7 years ago

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Just curious, do X2 still display the CD graphic when you choose posession at the location test?

Post #728 · Posted at 2009-12-02 12:34:38am 15.7 years ago

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Quote: Dr.D
Theres a good chance some parts of Second heaven will be changed. Everyone agreed at the test location with what everyone thinks here.

Also possession and DD might get changes too.

Good to hear, as those are the three songs from the location test that need changes most of all, but the rest seem fine Tongue.

Post #729 · Posted at 2009-12-02 12:34:41am 15.7 years ago

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Post #730 · Posted at 2009-12-02 12:50:24am 15.7 years ago

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I just saw some of the charts (DD, Smoooch, Second Heaven...).
God... Konami is really the king for double stepping right ? >.>

I'm really disappointed with tha Second Heaven chart. The rythm could be way better (near the end it's ok, but some part are... >.>).
And the step palcement, OMG.

Seriously, if we have ITG R21 in France and not so far from my location. I will mostly play that cause' when i saw this... >.>

I'm really disappointed with that. And i'm still waiting DDRX too... (only one in France, and far far away from where i live).

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Post #731 · Posted at 2009-12-02 01:19:57am 15.7 years ago

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Quote: sillybear
Quote: hyper kitten
In Dazzlin' Darlin' the announcer is not talking about the person on the pad; he's talking about Dai.

I don't see DD EVER reaching american shores. The American populace is just not ready yet for Ryu* and Dai's dancing hotness.


maybe you are correct but watch this vid:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o8qKHRMD7ME

they have also their version of "she is my wife"...Green Grin

Oh, that's just JT being his usual smexy self.

I think for a laugh Konami should put that video in with Dazzlin Darling in the US xD
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Post #732 · Posted at 2009-12-02 01:24:05am 15.7 years ago

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Eh, when we talk about double stepping, are we talking about End of Century double stepping or Trip Machine luv mix double stepping? Double stepping is not necessarily bad unless it's at crazy speeds (i.e. above 200bpm). I find EoC style pretty easy to manage. If we're talking about double stepping that doesn't have to be double stepped, i.e. turn or spun to, I think that's fine as well. Double stepping can be used to up the challenge of a song without having to use a ton of 16ths or pauses. (see HVAM, Daikenkai)

Post #733 · Posted at 2009-12-02 01:35:59am 15.7 years ago

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In terms of smoooch, there really is no double stepping required. There are three or four well-placed spins. DD and Second Heaven both require a lot of spins, Second Heaven more than Dazzlin'.

Post #734 · Posted at 2009-12-02 01:54:35am 15.7 years ago

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Quote: Pie-kun
In terms of smoooch, there really is no double stepping required. There are three or four well-placed spins. DD and Second Heaven both require a lot of spins, Second Heaven more than Dazzlin'.
Smoooch seems pretty fun, except for those galop :s
And at this speed, it's kind of ok if there is some spins that you can double step (not like Ordinary World :s).

But seriously Second Heaven... >.>


@Daiz : It's just that i don't like double steps at all. I got 4greats on Healing-Vision(Angelic Mix) for exemple, but i hate the stepchart. (AAA End of Century that i don't like too).
Yeah, it's doable, even it's 196bpm and 8th (for Healing Vision). But it's painfull.
Don't told me that you find the stepchart of Arrabbiata good ?

Yeah i know Second Heaven is not that fast, it's not maybe the same kind of double-step, but they should stop this.
(and do people saw Poseidon ? :s)

I still prefer play a faster song with crossovers than slower with dumb step placement.

And i really love, when i try to teach how to cross to beginner/advanced players, when they play a song, try to cross, and get screwed... So, they learn that there is "good crossovers" and "fake crossovers" (=don't do this crossover or you will die).
They have to learn charts who have that kind of cross, or usualy, double step anything (even cross).

The point is (for me), if you are good, you have to got a good score on sightread (90% of the time).
If not, the chart is bad or you are bad.

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Post #735 · Posted at 2009-12-02 01:54:50am 15.7 years ago

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Just watched the Dazzlin Darlin Video and i was like where have i heard that before .... Then i realised it was stepped in the R21 Twins Pack over a year ago, its probably been in other games but im noob to those so i wouldn't know.
Glad to see more of this kind of music.

Post #736 · Posted at 2009-12-02 02:18:19am 15.7 years ago

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I'm really starting to dislike whoever it was that brought up double stepping in the first place, it's all everyone is talking about.
it's really only bad in Second Heaven, but other than that everything is tolerable. Sure, any double stepping is not ideal, but it's not that big a problem.
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Post #737 · Posted at 2009-12-02 02:28:12am 15.7 years ago

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Thanks Dr.D! Big Grin Liked everything except for Second Heaven (looked like someone used the random mod lol)

Too bad smooooch doesn't stop (step wise, like with jumps or freezes, that would have been cool) during the key change. Oh well. Glad to see most of the charts are fun and more challenging.
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Post #738 · Posted at 2009-12-02 02:31:07am 15.7 years ago

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For a lot of people anything that goes beyond a simple crossover stream is double-stepping. How boring it must be to play 3rd mix charts like that~

Post #739 · Posted at 2009-12-02 02:33:18am 15.7 years ago

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Quote: PanStyle
Quote: Pie-kun
In terms of smoooch, there really is no double stepping required. There are three or four well-placed spins. DD and Second Heaven both require a lot of spins, Second Heaven more than Dazzlin'.
Smoooch seems pretty fun, except for those galop :s
And at this speed, it's kind of ok if there is some spins that you can double step (not like Ordinary World :s).

But seriously Second Heaven... >.>


@Daiz : It's just that i don't like double steps at all. I got 4greats on Healing-Vision(Angelic Mix) for exemple, but i hate the stepchart. (AAA End of Century that i don't like too).
Yeah, it's doable, even it's 196bpm and 8th (for Healing Vision). But it's painfull.
Don't told me that you find the stepchart of Arrabbiata good ?

Yeah i know Second Heaven is not that fast, it's not maybe the same kind of double-step, but they should stop this.
(and do people saw Poseidon ? :s)

I still prefer play a faster song with crossovers than slower with dumb step placement.

And i really love, when i try to teach how to cross to beginner/advanced players, when they play a song, try to cross, and get screwed... So, they learn that there is "good crossovers" and "fake crossovers" (=don't do this crossover or you will die).
They have to learn charts who have that kind of cross, or usualy, double step anything (even cross).

The point is (for me), if you are good, you have to got a good score on sightread (90% of the time).
If not, the chart is bad or you are bad.

Uhm, if you have to play a chart a few times to get a good grade on it, that doesn't make it a bad chart or you a bad player. Apply this logic to any other video game on earth. Are you a bad Mario player if you die on a level a few times before you are able to run through it without a mistake? Are you a bad shooter player if you have to play against someone a few times you are able to beat them? I think it's stupid to claim that sightreaders are better players because they make above 90% on first attempt than someone who can AAA a more complicated song after several tries. If a song can be mastered on sight read, it makes the chart easy, plain and simple.

I do not find Arrabbiata fun at all because of the bad jump placements, but other songs that most people double step I find extremely fun to master. Stuff such as Celebrate Nite, Ordinary World, Paranoia, Brilliant 2U Orchestra Groove Challenge, Blind Justice, etc, all have complicated turns and can be done without double stepping. There are people who dislike gallops and think they are stupid, people that dislike freezes and people who refuse to do cross overs. Does that mean the charts are bad charts because they do not like their chart style? By no means, no. Spinning, turning away from the screen and double stepping are all part of the game. The only time i find double stepping annoying is during pad cross overs on doubles because then you're not just trying to hit the arrows, you're trying to do so without twisting an ankle.

Post #740 · Posted at 2009-12-02 02:38:00am 15.7 years ago

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The only time i find double stepping annoying is during pad cross overs on doubles because then you're not just trying to hit the arrows, you're trying to do so without twisting an ankle.

then that means you're doing it wrong. :v

I've never had that problem in all of the doubles charts I've played.
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