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ITT: people defending indefensibly bad unlock systems because they clearly have lots of disposable income

I am still unlocking Emera. I hate Rinon's Adventure.

Some of us just don't have the time or money to go to D&B every week and grind extra stages for these unlocks. I have not once been able to play ENDYMION on my own, I just got lucky with someone else's heat power being at MAX when it was my turn.

I hope that in the future these events aren't as evil.

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I just don't have the time to get to a Dave and Buster's, period...
Three hours is a long drive for a dance game...

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imagine defending arcade grinding/unlocking methods meant to increase profits and lengthen game lifespans when you do not work in the arcade/game industry and have no business supporting such a poorly executed systems.

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The thing is I totally understand how much money they make from crap like this, it's just that the way they executed this was god awful. Having ENDYMION and AFA locked away for 3/4 of a year is total BS not gonna lie. It's not like you can just stumble across a DDR Ace machine in the states where there isn't someone waiting to play literally 10 minutes after you get there, preventing you from putting in more sets before the usual mob of 4-5 groups show up.

It's genius for KONAMI and torture for their consumers.

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Not particularly defending the system so much as refuting this claim of it being "literally impossible" to do in a timely manner.

It's grindy and that sucks, yeah, but it's not impossible. Babylon/Rinon's Adventure were fine, having to play 8 games to get 1 chance at Endymion was not fine.

No one was saying it's "impossible". People were saying it's a shitty, exploitative unlock system because that's seriously what it fucking is.

You call the shitty grind of unlocking endymion progress because it's better than how OTP was? That's like saying this dumpster is better than this other dumpster because someone sprayed febreeze on it.


It was not ever done in a timely manner unless you literally just burned your wallet failing every two songs and bs'ing the third song to get a few extra more steps. Saying you CAN do it in no regard justifies you SHOULD do it or negates how shitty the whole thing is to begin with.

It took like 6-8 weeks for me to unlock endymion and this is coming from someone who goes every week to play for a number of hours. I didn't grind it because I didn't wanna just sit there shitting credits all night just to unlock one but I'm not gonna pretend it wasn't mad annoying having one song locked behind such a ridiculous paywall and I know literally no one else who regularly plays that didn't find it equally frustrating.



"I don't see why it's a big deal even though I don't play this game at all and have no experience like people who actually do have to grind this shit do"


You say this like all those songs are new, like nearly 700 of them haven't been played to death for years or even decades. That is not a valid argument at all. What if I don't wanna play Love Shine for the 60th million time and wanna play the new exciting endymion song? Guess you'll just have to grind Love Shine 60 million more times before you can play it even once I SWEAR GUYS THIS IS FAIR AND NOT STUPID AT ALL IT'S JUST THE MATH

What I would give for people to not dicksuck every piece of shit move that konami does I swear to absolute god

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Sounds like you're more focused on unlocking things than actually playing the game itself.


so if you're not foaming at the mouth with pure hatred for Konami, you're "dicksucking" them?

Well, yeah, unlocking songs is literally the only reward the game gives you, of course it's going to be the thing you focus on...

edit: sorry i forgot you get the Sense of Pride and Accomplishment.

And pretty lights on the song folders.

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Finding out what the game's got to offer is often the main part of any game, surely. And when you've been playing them for long enough as doubtless most of us have done, the unlock system is what the main part of the game is.

One can voice displeasure with how Konami does business without foaming at the mouth. I was in the community at the time of the RoXoR lawsuits. THAT, hombre, was foamy.

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And then there’s people like me who literally would just be glad of a local cab to play on. Yeah it would be a grind if we could unlock stuff but I was also around back in the days of doing worldmax on pump nxa, that was painful enough that something like this just doesn’t phase me. But as most people have pointed out in this thread, it’s an arcade game. It’s designed to suck money. It needs to keep players coming back regularly to justify all the arcades in Japan who lease their machines and all the £10k+ machines they sell elsewhere. It sucks but it’s iust the way the business is. Could be worse, they could have just said screw it and leave it Japan exclusive then you’d only have cabinets you managed to import with no unlocks at all, which is basically the situation we are supposed to be in still.

Arcade games have sucked money in far less blatant ways than this and been just fine. Do people really think all arcade games are like this? Do they PLAY anything other than rhythm games?


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Concept: More frequent but smaller rewards for the player to give them reason to keep coming back instead of unlocks designed against the player. Give them cool little things like customization options, different animations for the song select screen, unlockable announcers, fancy name graphic borders, whatever. Drip-feed players new content per round or per small achievement. Your first time passing a Level 11? Here's a title you can put on your eAmuse record. Your first PFC? You can make the song select background gold and shiny and shit. Minor rewards at a frequent pace. That way players have ACTUAL reason to play a round.

This shit isn't the only way an arcade game can drag you in! If it wants your money, it should get it by BEING FUN. Not because of nonsense like what we've seen over the course of this mix. This promotes time over skill WAYYYYY too much for it to be considered anything but a chore.

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I think if progress in Rinon's Adventure wasn't limited to only extra stage, grinding for ENDYMION and AFA wouldn't be as tedious. I'm still trying to unlock Emera.

(I go to the arcade about once a month btw)

I'd like you to go and find a non-rhythm arcade game that consistently lasts for 10-15 minutes for $1-1.50.

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Wangan? Probably other modern racing games? Literally any fighting game?

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Why not bring back the ENJOY Level unlocks system back?

I certainly agree. Rinon's Adventure was probably set up like this so players in Asia would be forced to play Premium at least 50 times to get to Extra Stage. It makes no difference for us in North America but in Asia, it's cheaper to pick Normal Play. This all goes back to the idea of being a giant, time-consuming cash grab. While the event itself didn't phase me that much, the whole ENDYMION thing at the end really did.

I guess you and hypnoticmarten77 are in the same situation right now.

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I mean most arcades that aren’t on the coast near where you are typically would be one race for a pound on wangan. I remember being thrilled when Skegness had it at 3 for a quid. Other modern racing games are much the same story, sega rally 3 you get 3 stages at about a minute each if you’re lucky, when it comes to fighting games literally what is there that’s been released over here? I played the injustice fighting game recently and that’s literally a copy of a mobile fighting game and you get one fight per credit even if you won. Heck it even has a button that lets you buy a card for the game and give up your gameplay even though playing normally gets you a card also.

No I’m not defending the unlock grind but it’s true that as a game, ddr gives you ridiculous value for money for play time. Everything else released nowadays will be redemption, mobile games or something heavily watered down to make it as easy as possible to ship to arcades quickly , cruisn is a prime example, being the new fast and the furious game without the license, no brake pedal, all the cars steer the same and no free race for 1st place anymore.

If there’s something actually released that’s modern and you can get a decent amount of gameplay behind it for your money great but it’s going to be too far and few between everything else.

I'm talking in terms of USA and Asia, considering you can't actually unlock anything in the UK.

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