DanceDanceRevolution X (AC) (International)

That's just proof that Betson themselves think they didn't make a very good machine. They had to slap a label on the bar saying, "SHIT, THIS BAR ISN'T STRONG ENOUGH. DON'T LEAN ON IT SO WE DON'T HAVE TO HEAR YOUR COMPLAINTS ABOUT POOR MACHINE CONSTRUCTION!"


Guess Komani thought it should've been an 8 (11-12) instead.

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-Viper-: Yeah, we've seen that before. Why did they put the bar there if you're not supposed to use it, and why do they make BS charts that nobody is going to do the crossovers on nobar?

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Actually, that pic is on a rather high quality machine from a test location in the UK, so it actually came from Konami directly.

I'm definatly no anti-bar elitist, but it's still rather obvious that konami intends for it to be a barless game since the concept of the game is to simulate dancing rather than in-place-floor-pounding. As for why stuff like PR exists, my best guess is they threw up their arms and went "You people demanded unreasonably challenging songs? Here they are...".

I suppose they're just trying to compensate for the unbalanced, huh?

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Maybe it's just me, but eternally giving myself a handicap when I know I could do better if I try a little harder doesn't make anything fun to me. That's like never leaving the bunny slope at a ski resort. Don't you WANT to try the bigger hills? No? Okay... we'll come get you when we're done.

I do however attribute the lack of growth with a lack of interest. And since most of the people I see playing DDR or ITG these days are 13 year old 'guys' trying to impress their girlfriends it makes sense to me that they'll only put in as much effort as it takes to get them to giggle. They don't care about the music, they don't care about the steps either so long as it 'looks' hard to passersby, they just want to see their name on the scoreboard. Do you think they'd still be playing if no one bothered to watch or there was no score keeping? It's more of an alpha male thing than a fun thing.

Fun with DDR for me is DOUBLE 9s, so bars are out purely on logistics. If bar raping makes you look bad, trying, and that's all you can do; is try... trying to bar rape on DOUBLE is a disgrace to your family name. And instant fodder for any friends, family or giggling girlfriends that are within sight of you.


Truth.

Now if only they'd picked up some basic stepping techniques before throwing up all over the game.
There is no reason to make a chart that goes along as a old 9 or new 13 for 1:30, then suddenly turns into an old 12 or new new 18 for the last 15 seconds. That's just poor song choice and chart construction.

Also, if Konami really wanted to make people play no bar, there's a simple way to do it.
Stick a weight sensor in the bar. If the weight sensor is set off, stick a mark next to the score. They made the FC circle turn red for PFC, surely it'd be easy to make the letters turn pink for using the bar.
They didn't do that though, and they don't run tournaments with nobar rules (AFAIK), so I think it's safe to say that for the most part, they barf out random crap and hope it sells well. There are a couple talented people making charts, but they aren't given sufficient time to clean up their charts.
In my view, it's time for this crap to end. I hope Andamiro is taking full advantage of this. They should be sending little pamphlets around pointing out that a PIU cab costs half as much, and is high quality.

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Bar raping on some double 9's are o.k. like DoLL and HVAM

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My high school sweet heart hated DDR, so whenever she saw someone playing with the bar at the arcade, she would criticize them about their lack of skill. That is when I proceed to play Doubles and gather a crowd within the first song.

ah good times. Mostly bad, but the good was good.


then you lack the skill to do so. stop using the crutch.

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People have their own definitions of fun. Fun for some is playing 9s-10s in ITG and just comfortably chilling at that level and for others fun is pushing themselves to the limit knowing if they've beaten a hard song and gives them gratification.

My definition of fun? Playing ITG 9s-11s and in DDR, playing 6s-10s working on my PA/FA and attempting to get AAAs/Quad Stars. I push the limits of my abilities fairly often, but I know when I'm not having fun with the game. If I become too frustrated with playing, my experience becomes really lousy and just puts me in a bitter mood to play. I don't like being one of those people who get too frustrated to play a game I love.

And I've been playing DDR for about nine years now, and back then, not a lot of people cared about the game. I knew there were people better than me and if no one was watching me, I would care about making my own abilities better. If there was a crowd and there was something I was comfortable with, I'd have a ball and maybe show off a bit. Earlier DDR games, SN2 and X don't have scoreboards in normal gameplay with a song selection wheel, people still go to play those whenever they can just to play the game.


But that would require Betson to actually make a quality machine.

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Mr silenttype01 on the other hand...

'sup

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I have finished the Tabibito Video.. Please compare the two videos below and let me know how it goes

If everything is ok I am going to upload the video file and proceed with the Beautiful Life video...

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Gotta love how you ignored the points I made. Guess they were too right for you?

My experience playing Max 300 doubles is that I get just as much and the same kind of attention whether I play it bar or no bar.
I only bar it at the arcade because Extreme is nigh unreadable shit on some songs.

Or maybe I just don't want to memorize that stupid shit. DoLL D- is cake, but HVAM is an early form of trash. Seriously, who wants to do a 540 spin in 8ths at 196? Even Kobayan doesn't do that spin in his stealth video. Gee, I wonder why...

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Kobayan did the perfect thing to double step at that portion. I've been practicing that chart at work for far too long to know why. If you alternate your feet at moment, it will actually out you in an awkward position for the remainder of the song.

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Watch the video a bit more closely. I'm pretty sure he doesn't actually doublestep. Instead, he does the swingaround move.

Also, on the "awkward placement" bit, he's stealthing it. "Awkward" relies entirely on needing to keep your eyes on the screen.

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I stand corrected. I also see that he adds steps in between streams so that he doesn't have to double step, and that's something I always often do. And taking another close look at that video, he's pretty tall o_o

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Wish I had time to say something now but I got to get back to work in a few minutes. I love debating bar usage on DDR.

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o different time zones u~

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I didn't ignore anything, what you quoted was just my two cents on the concept of fun. I've seen lots of people try and bar DOUBLES and I think someone got a B on a 7, and he was a very accomplished SINGLES player (as accomplished as any bar raper could be mind you). Bar raping on doubles, again out of experience, doesn't make the game harder per say as it does ridiculous (fun fact: look up the etymology of the word "ridiculous"). I have never seen any player bar rape DOUBLES and even come close to scoring as well as I do without touching them. Because for some strange reason, I found the freedom of moving across the stage uninhibited fun, and therefore became a very good DOUBLES player. Anyone who's seen the two practices side by side will take a step back and go, 'I should learn how to play properly, unless of course I find the idea of looking silly while almost losing the game "fun".'

Sadly though, almost that same thought would cross my mind if I were hungry for some DDR and could only find an American DDR X machine, 'I should keep looking for a proper machine, unless of course...'


For HVAM, I just learned to hop step. I've never gotten my junk in a bunch about the steps being technical, so unless there's a jackhammer of 16th notes on one arrow I don't have a problem with it. I like the chart, still challenging to FC.

The bar is there to catch people if they lose balance, and fall backwards. That's why it's padded.

I don't think it was ever a case of "let's put this here so that in 6 years time, people can hold onto it to make Rhythm & Police Double Maniac easier to play". It's just to stop players losing their balance while looking at the screen, and falling into an area that isn't in their field of vision. Players falling backwards can't see the drop off the stage, and any obstacles/children that they might be falling onto.

Pads that aren't raised off the floor (like the original Solo Bass Mix pads, and the DDR ASC controller) don't come with a bar, but holes to attach one, if you decide to raise the machine off the ground.

Betson's bar probably is a LOT cheaper than the Konami bars, though. I'd love to see someone try and break one, as a scientific experiment