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Post #6061 · Posted at 2009-06-16 10:43:50am 16 years ago

Offline AeronPeryton
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"Give me a steady beat."
Quote: AceJay
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or SuperNOVA 2

If you have a SN2 dedi you're already screwed.

How so?

Everyone I've spoken to who's played a SN2 dedi has had the same terrible experience as me.

About 3 minutes from my house is the location of the first SN2 dedicab in the US.

-Cross-quote from BMS:

Right off the bat, the first day it arrived, the 1P left and right arrows were trash. soon after, the 2P left flaked out, and about a week after that, the right speakers blew (when the game was always at a low volume, what the fuck), the 1P Left and Select Cab buttons died, the right sub blew, the 2P Right Select button died, and on top of that, the monitor's Yellow color dropped out so that it was only using Red and Blue.

I kept telling the owners of the place (new Laser Tag place) and they honestly don't care. 9 out of their 15 games were "Out of order" not including DDR. They don't care.

I go back every month to see if it's been fixed at all and it's all still the same as I described above. Pretty fucking depressing, imo.

Granted, I haven't heard of it being this bad at all the dedis, but in most cases at least 3 of the things I listed occur.

To be fair, I've only used one SuperNOVA 2 dedicab (And apparently so have you) however it was perfect. I'm assuming that the physical construction of SuperNOVA 2 is the exact same as SuperNOVA just with blue graphics, monitor plate, marquee, et al. The place I played at was a minigolf place in Oxnard California. They got it just a few weeks after it came out (Sometime in February 2008, and I am under the belief that this was before upgrade kits were available as well) and the only issue I had with it was the owner kept turning the volume down (And the bass way up for some stupid reason). But the attendants played the game so they were more than happy to turn it up when I complained. It was about the best DDR machine I've ever played on, equal only to the brand fraking new imported DDRMAX I found in First Colony, Texas back in 2001... with memory card slots Evil Puppy.

The SuperNOVA 2 even had Joint Premium turned on, double lucky!

Post #6062 · Posted at 2009-06-16 11:09:35am 16 years ago

Offline neodude237
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I believe I have used a SN2 dedicab too, in Newport Beach @ the pier or something. It was actually quite good for the record...

Post #6063 · Posted at 2009-06-16 11:35:27am 16 years ago

Offline ddr_ray
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Singapore
Reg. 2007-07-19

Quote: al2k4
With no icon in the corner, it's certainly not going to work. Unless you get your AC to get the operator menu up and see what's in it.

I would like to know myself actually, as the operator menu isn't documented ANYWHERE. Tongue
Fyi, to use the USB slot, we need to enable it on the operator menu. After that, the Edit Icon will appear on the title screen Smile
I'm a bug/glitch explorer Devil

Post #6064 · Posted at 2009-06-16 12:51:08pm 16 years ago

Offline MeowMix
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United States
Reg. 2008-02-24

Quote: Ashura96
So has anyone attempted to call or email Betson about their bullshit?

I'd like to hear a response.

Also I think anyone who decided to purchase a machine after viewing their product page for DDR X should pursue legal action.

Rather KONAMI will sue or not is yet to be seen. Tongue

..... Now that is just down right dirty business......
How low can they go???

Post #6065 · Posted at 2009-06-16 06:21:19pm 16 years ago

Offline al2k4
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Quote: ddr_ray
Fyi, to use the USB slot, we need to enable it on the operator menu. After that, the Edit Icon will appear on the title screen Smile

Awesome. It's something that should be on by default to be honest, like memory cards on old DDR.

Post #6066 · Posted at 2009-06-16 06:22:43pm 16 years ago

Offline 3x0t1c m4n
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Indonesia
Reg. 2008-08-26

"i'm back "
anyway, who did the manufacturing of the first Dancing Stage SuperNOVAs?
they are also in abysmal quality (mainly for the pads)...

I remembered when it first arrived near my place, the pads are TERRIBLE...
the pads are very hard (it feels like we stepped on a ceramic floor)
and the gamecenter (it's timezone) just don't care about it...

are non-japanese DDR machines always like that?
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Post #6067 · Posted at 2009-06-16 06:27:43pm 16 years ago

Offline al2k4
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No, as most Dancing Stages here are fine. The only one that had some major issue was Dancing Stage Fusion which required that the pads be "worn in" from regular play before they worked properly.

Post #6068 · Posted at 2009-06-16 06:39:47pm 16 years ago

Offline Chi
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Quote: Daiz
I say wait for upgrade kits. If they don't release them, I'm sure someone will figure out a way to remove the Bemani PC hardware and put it in an older cab or swap the pads..

99.9% of arcade ops would not take out hardware from a brand new, netter looking cab (even if it performs worse) and put it into an ugly-looking old one... unless the new cab was physically broken. After all, what would they do with the expensive (and useless) cab that would be left over?

Also, it is worth noting that you can't just stick a DDR X motherboard into a pre-SuperNOVA cabinet unless it has been upgrade to SuperNOVA (as the monitor is 15kHz, not 31kHz (SuperNOVA and SN2 output both, not sure of DDR X as I've not seen the hardware), but more crucially it is missing a $1,000 PCB (called the Extended I/O board), and cables to interface the main board and cab with this PCB. It'd have to be a SN cab, and the build quality of those is not as good as the originals.

Quote: al2k4
And if the point of location tests isn't for feedback gathering, it's just a "profitability location test" then. Roll Eyes

This is exactly the point of a location test - will the machine make money, and is there anything critically wrong (i.e. machine crashes). It's not about fine-tuning the gameplay (though this may be a nice consequence).


Quote: Fallacy
And then came In The Groove. Right away, Konami shells out SuperNOVA 1, whose interface turns out to be complete BS, not to mention how annoying the SFX were. So while taking down ITG Konami makes SN2, which has the same interface but nicer SFX, some better songs, honestly.

Actually, Dancing Stage Fusion came before SuperNOVA (a year before, in fact). Also, ITG came out in november 2004, SuperNOVA in April 2006 - that's not exactly "right away".
"TO THE untrained eye Christian Cooper might have been stamping out a small fire " - The Times, 7th Feb, 2004

Post #6069 · Posted at 2009-06-16 06:42:54pm 16 years ago

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And if the point of location tests isn't for feedback gathering, it's just a "profitability location test" then. Roll Eyes

This is exactly the point of a location test - will the machine make money, and is there anything critically wrong (i.e. machine crashes). It's not about fine-tuning the gameplay (though this may be a nice consequence).

That's not the Japanese define a "location test", they actually get to voice their feedback directly to KONAMI in location tests via questionnaires available with KONAMI actually being on the scene for the duration of the test. I don't see how Western feedback aren't just as important as Japanese feedback to be quite honest. The consequences of not doing so are very apparent now. Roll Eyes

Post #6070 · Posted at 2009-06-16 06:48:33pm 16 years ago

Offline Chi
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Indeed, but the Western viewpoint of a location test doesn't match the Japanese. Look at the press release from Konami of Europe after the DDR X location test here... it's paraphrased as "it makes as much money as the original, unlike our previous two releases."

I've seen many machines on location test over the years (not just rhythm games), and very rarely is there even anyone there to take feedback (the one exception I can think of was the locaiton test of Chase H.Q. 2 where the lead developer was hanging around the arcade and asked me what I thought of it after I had thrown in a credit).

There's also the fact that I highly doubt that the subsidary branches of Konami have much clout in getting things changed, especially in terms of software. When I asked if they were considering upgrade kits for X I was told they'd have to go back and ask Japan if they wanted to do this!
"TO THE untrained eye Christian Cooper might have been stamping out a small fire " - The Times, 7th Feb, 2004

Post #6071 · Posted at 2009-06-16 06:56:20pm 16 years ago

Offline al2k4
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So sad. Three years after SuperNOVA and we get this kind of treatment. Roll Eyes

Post #6072 · Posted at 2009-06-16 09:41:37pm 16 years ago

Offline Chi
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Three years after EuroMIX 2 we got the pup that was Fusion, so it's not the first time :{
"TO THE untrained eye Christian Cooper might have been stamping out a small fire " - The Times, 7th Feb, 2004

Post #6073 · Posted at 2009-06-16 10:35:18pm 16 years ago

Offline Dr.D
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so isnt it possible to buy upgrade kits in asia and use them anywhere?


Also I'm proud of this so sorry for posting.

Isnt my highest score, but, I'm really glad I PFCed the whole course!

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Post #6074 · Posted at 2009-06-17 12:27:31am 16 years ago

Offline Ashura96
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Haha only possible in Course mode.

Post #6075 · Posted at 2009-06-17 01:27:18am 16 years ago

Offline Daiz
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I sent this email to Betson:

Quote: email

I have been asked by arcade management to look into the latest release of Dance Dance Revolution X to see whether we should invest in getting the latest machine. After reading initial reviews, we've seen that there are many problems with the release including fault pads, the inclusion if USB ports when SD Card use is advertised (http://www.betson.com/cms/cmsProdShowcase2.php?tab=1&code=KONM-024290N), the machine does not appear to be e-Amusement ready as stated and the machine from release videos and pictures look considerably different. The visual changes we can ignore, but we want to make sure we get a product that does not require maintenance from the very first day it arrives.

Is Betson planning to address these issues? We would like to buy the next machine but do not want to make a bad investment and not receive a nice return, obviously. Any comments on the situation would be great appreciated. We gladly look forward to purcashing the latest DDR from Betson!

-Travis

I got this response

Quote: Betson

Dear Travis,
We will have the pads issue corrected this week. That is just a matter of sensor adjustments that were not done properly. Games will be e Amusement ready and in fact Konami is looking for test sites to introduce DDR-X. Please let us know how else we can help you and thank you.

-*name removed*

Post #6076 · Posted at 2009-06-17 01:33:19am 16 years ago

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Sounds half promising...

Post #6077 · Posted at 2009-06-17 01:35:22am 16 years ago

Offline Daiz
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I call bs, he didn't even address the issue of the product description differing so much from the final product. I think this is probably the standard response they're giving everyone.

Post #6078 · Posted at 2009-06-17 01:41:03am 16 years ago

Offline Ashura96
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Quote: al2k4
Sounds half promising...

If we can even get that much we'll have a miracle!

Post #6079 · Posted at 2009-06-17 01:41:55am 16 years ago

Offline silenttype01
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Quote: Betson

... and in fact Konami is looking for test sites to introduce DDR-X....

Wonderful news!!! We're getting location tests in America!!HappyVery Happy

oh wait......

Post #6080 · Posted at 2009-06-17 01:42:05am 16 years ago

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Sounds half promising...

If we can even get that much we'll have a miracle!
doubt it, but at least it's A response Roll Eyes
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