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Post #6041 · Posted at 2009-06-16 01:44:21am 16 years ago

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Infinity=AI? I went last Thursday and X wasn't there.

That sucks... I hope, if they get it, it's an import.

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Here's my deal, If the JP machine worked so well (Not counting the lag), Why would you change that? Look, I can understand using GH parts can be cheaper and with this economy, that may be a good move. But there's a cheep way, and a right way and it’s clear what path was chosen. They will lose more money then save with this.

I also fell really bad for EU. They have not gotten a DDR after SN1, 2 long years of wait and this is what they get. Let’s just call it DDR Old Yeller, because It's like they are celebration 10 years of DDR by taking it behind the barn and shooting it. I bet some guy at Konami is laughing his ass off right now. After this I want to see some new dance game and show DDR X the piece of trash as it is and take the Dance game crown.

I think Konami is not ever trying anymore & why should they? There’s no competition and where there is, Konami sues the shit out of them, So why even try?

If this is the “Revolution to the Evolution”, then this is one Evolution I don’t want to be part of.

I know this may be the longest post I’ve ever posted and I’m not one to rant, but holy shit. I’m just really pissed of at this.Evil

The Japanese have a certain life philosophy: They HATE having to do something over again. They design most of their products around the concept of "getting it done once and NEVER having to do it again". Americans don't think the same way. Look at the PC industry. You have to spend about 800 dollars a year on maintenance for a SINGLE computer, and most people don't shell out that cash. Look at their PCs. Malware riddled, dusty, slow pieces of s***.

You'll notice, that after Extreme 2 for the PS2, Konami wasn't really pumping out the music games so much.

And then came In The Groove. Right away, Konami shells out SuperNOVA 1, whose interface turns out to be complete BS, not to mention how annoying the SFX were. So while taking down ITG Konami makes SN2, which has the same interface but nicer SFX, some better songs, honestly.

And now that ITG is out of the picture, it's like they don't care anymore. Someone ought to challenge them again.

Post #6042 · Posted at 2009-06-16 01:50:40am 16 years ago

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With the direction they are heading with DDR for the console market, here's hoping the next AC DDR will be heaps better.

Post #6043 · Posted at 2009-06-16 02:11:52am 16 years ago

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Quote: Fallacy

The Japanese have a certain life philosophy: They HATE having to do something over again. They design most of their products around the concept of "getting it done once and NEVER having to do it again". Americans don't think the same way. Look at the PC industry. You have to spend about 800 dollars a year on maintenance for a SINGLE computer, and most people don't shell out that cash. Look at their PCs. Malware riddled, dusty, slow pieces of s***.

Wow talk about way out of left field. $800 to maintain a computer? It doesn't take a single dime to maintain a computer. The reason computers need repair is not the fault of the PC manufacturer (most of the time). People who keep their computers in dusty areas, visit malicious websites, run their PC without anti-virus software, etc, is their own fault. This would be like saying an Extreme machine with soda spilled on its pads, a broken marquee and discolored monitor is the fault of Konami. I think this is a situation of Betson being a terrible arcade machine producer, not the result of America as a whole.

Plus, I don't think Konami sued ITG because they were competition. ITG illegally used intellectual property. That's no different than using parts of a Xbox 360 to build a custom console and marketing as your own invention. If Konami were seriously out to kill the competition they'd go after Stepmania, Dance Praise, or any other of the 4 panel dance games. ITG was targeted for how they did it, not what they did.

Post #6044 · Posted at 2009-06-16 02:16:47am 16 years ago

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With the direction they are heading with DDR for the console market, here's hoping the next AC DDR will be heaps better.
Pretty much more attention is being paid to the CS DDR's now than the AC DDR's...and i think it's been like that since the beginning of the SuperNOVA 2 or X era....

...and with the PS3/360 having over 200 songs with DLC this year, it's like a miniature home-style arcade in your living room Tongue

Post #6045 · Posted at 2009-06-16 02:23:17am 16 years ago

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...and with the PS3/360 having over 200 songs with DLC this year, it's like a miniature home-style arcade in your living room

That sounds like something you'll read behind the DDR box for PS3/360.

Post #6046 · Posted at 2009-06-16 02:25:14am 16 years ago

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...and with the PS3/360 having over 200 songs with DLC this year, it's like a miniature home-style arcade in your living room

That sounds like something you'll read behind the DDR box for PS3/360.
Exactly Tongue

But i don't even want to start to think just how much ALL of the DLC will be worth Dead

Post #6047 · Posted at 2009-06-16 02:40:27am 16 years ago

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Oh, lol, over at ddroc, a character by the sn of "sfabian" has came on to say that the release is just fine.
http://www.ddronlinecommunity.com/forums/2/forum_topics/369?page=12

So either this crap was intentional or he's not talking about the same production cabinet that was sent out to arcades.

Post #6048 · Posted at 2009-06-16 04:07:58am 16 years ago

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So should we at all be worried that Betson's screw up with the whole USB - SD card issue *assuming it was another screw up on their part* is going to screw us out of being able to make edits and use of other card features?

Post #6049 · Posted at 2009-06-16 04:11:16am 16 years ago

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So should we at all be worried that Betson's screw up with the whole USB - SD card issue *assuming it was another screw up on their part* is going to screw us out of being able to make edits and use of other card features?
Nah, we were never going to be given the ability to make edits and use other card features anyway, so that's not really a loss.
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Post #6050 · Posted at 2009-06-16 04:32:11am 16 years ago

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Nah, we were never going to be given the ability to make edits and use other card features anyway, so that's not really a loss.

Confused The way things are going right now.... Yeah. I guess that could be a possibility.
Sad

On the other *hopeful* hand,
assuming Betson putting USB wasn't intentional... Maybe Konami will finally see reason in dropping Betson

Post #6051 · Posted at 2009-06-16 05:56:00am 16 years ago

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So has anyone attempted to call or email Betson about their bullshit?

I'd like to hear a response.

Also I think anyone who decided to purchase a machine after viewing their product page for DDR X should pursue legal action.

Rather KONAMI will sue or not is yet to be seen. Tongue

Post #6052 · Posted at 2009-06-16 06:00:16am 16 years ago

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DDR X is also housed in an electrifying NEW cabinet with a 37" LCD monitor, LED lighting effects and a thundering sound system to enhance play. Look for a new Shock Arrow and upgraded graphics.

The game is e-Amusement ready, player cards will allow on-line ranking and data collection with Internet connection. There is also a Step Chart Edit Mode where players can edit game step charts on their home PCs and bring the data back to the arcade via SD Memory Card.

So many things in red that are wrong here.

No LED lighting effects.
Terrible GH sound system .
e-AMUSEMENT ready but only with a KONAMI subscription, which gets no mention there.
Step Chart Edit Mode? More like a feature than a mode, and it's bloody USB for gods sake.

Oh dear, oh dear, no knowledge on what they are saying.

Post #6053 · Posted at 2009-06-16 06:03:48am 16 years ago

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And the most obvious is the cabinet image

Oh and..

Quote: Amp Divorax @ BemaniStyle
I have contacted Betson concerning the quality issues and here is the reply received....

"Please send inquiries to the manufacturer Konami. We are just purchasing finished goods from Konami. We have notified them of the Problems."

So according to Betson, Konami was behind the manufacturing. Yet when I look on most other websites Betson is identified as the manufacturer. The most obvious conclusion is that somebody is lying, but the question is who.

Post #6054 · Posted at 2009-06-16 06:07:33am 16 years ago

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This release is more disastrous than usual. Sigh. Why do they bother. Betson has no clue what they're selling, KONAMI doesn't care what they're selling, I can't believe I'm about to say this but RoXoR handled the arcade scene so much better than this. Legalities aside.
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Post #6055 · Posted at 2009-06-16 06:16:18am 16 years ago

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"I'm honestly pissed off."
I think that as far as Konami is concerned, people who actually play the game are a minority. From their view, most of the return comes from parents putting money in and letting their 2 year old kid wander across the pads for a few minutes.
Why bother making a game to a quality that only 1 out of 1000 people who put money in can recognize?
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Post #6056 · Posted at 2009-06-16 06:16:31am 16 years ago

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Incidentally, has anyone tried to put a USB stick in there, just to see what'd happen?
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Post #6057 · Posted at 2009-06-16 06:24:47am 16 years ago

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If the EDIT DATA icon isn't on the title screen, EDITs will not work, even if you rename the file on the USB stick itself.

For people that want to try it out anyway, rename the file to:

For U:A:A software version: X:\DDR_EDIT\DDR_EDIT_U.DAT (United States)

Other non-NA filenames are as follows:

For J:A:A software version: X:\DDR_EDIT\DDR_EDIT_J.DAT (Japan)
For E:A:A software version: X:\DDR_EDIT\DDR_EDIT_E.DAT (Europe)
For A:A:A software version: X:\DDR_EDIT\DDR_EDIT_A.DAT (Asia)

Post #6058 · Posted at 2009-06-16 08:54:38am 16 years ago

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I did not see an icon in the corner for it. I bet beston did not even bother including them officially in the product, more like they happened to be there. However it might also be Gameworks because they sometimes shut off USB to stop hackers.

How would one go along testing this btw? Do I need to download a program/file (thats what the machine said so where is it?)? I would love to test it out. I can access the menu too to see if there is an option this weekend also.

Post #6059 · Posted at 2009-06-16 09:03:01am 16 years ago

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DDR_EDIT_J is only generated by the DanceDanceRevolution X (PS2) (Japan) game in EDIT MODE.

If you have the game you could plug in your USB stick and just output the entire library on to it; that will create the required file on the USB stick.

With no icon in the corner, it's certainly not going to work. Unless you get your AC to get the operator menu up and see what's in it.

I would like to know myself actually, as the operator menu isn't documented ANYWHERE. Tongue

Post #6060 · Posted at 2009-06-16 09:45:44am 16 years ago

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or SuperNOVA 2

If you have a SN2 dedi you're already screwed.

How so?

Everyone I've spoken to who's played a SN2 dedi has had the same terrible experience as me.

About 3 minutes from my house is the location of the first SN2 dedicab in the US.

-Cross-quote from BMS:

Right off the bat, the first day it arrived, the 1P left and right arrows were trash. soon after, the 2P left flaked out, and about a week after that, the right speakers blew (when the game was always at a low volume, what the fuck), the 1P Left and Select Cab buttons died, the right sub blew, the 2P Right Select button died, and on top of that, the monitor's Yellow color dropped out so that it was only using Red and Blue.

I kept telling the owners of the place (new Laser Tag place) and they honestly don't care. 9 out of their 15 games were "Out of order" not including DDR. They don't care.

I go back every month to see if it's been fixed at all and it's all still the same as I described above. Pretty fucking depressing, imo.

Granted, I haven't heard of it being this bad at all the dedis, but in most cases at least 3 of the things I listed occur.
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