DanceDanceRevolution X (AC) (International)

Funny, but true. I'm not one of those people. I'd rather play on a well-maintained 8-year old EXTREME machine than a new DDR X machine with shitty pads.

Appearance-wise, it's OK. Build quality, it's probably shit...

Signed, just for laffs

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They aren't similar, they're exactly the same.

Let's make a comparison. See if you can find Wally! Answers at the end of this post!

Picture A


Picture B


Picture A:
Expensive looking widescreen framed by BS
Tacky sign at the top leaning over towards the player with a generic stereo system
Uberly boring bass speaker design at the base of the machine with uneeded lights that make it look stupider
Centralized button dashboard right below the screen (Picture A has MORE buttons, but it's the same style)
Nobody paying attention

Picture B:
Expensive looking widescreen framed by BS
Tacky sign at the top leaning over towards the player with a generic stereo system
Uberly boring bass speaker design at the base of the machine with uneeded lights that make it look stupider
Centralized button dashboard right below the screen
Nobody paying attention

So, didja find Wally?

Funny that considering almost all DDR EXTREMEs in the US are upgraded 3rdMIXes from the hay days of DDR in America. So there are literally hundreds of imported Asian 3rdMIX machines, that date back to 2000, that play better than the days old English DDR X cabinets.

I seriously want to cry... There's no way that Konami allowed this to happen on accident. They really don't care about players outside of Japan. At all. It would have actually been better if they simply scrapped the release altogether, it's like a wet slap across the face with a sweaty dong.


Even THIS picture is a lie. Look, classic arrow brackets and metal plates.

I figured the white background would tip you off...

Oh, btw, we didn't need the visual...

Uhm, that's not the machine we got. The speakers are different, the lights are different, the coin door is different. I think this was the machine we were supposed to get. This one actually looks nice.

Yes, that's KONAMI's machine, not the crappy degraded one.

Would it be cheaper to import and ship a US crap-o-cab from Betson than to buy one from electrocoin?

I say wait for upgrade kits. If they don't release them, I'm sure someone will figure out a way to remove the Bemani PC hardware and put it in an older cab or swap the pads..

I hope you plan on getting the word out on a platform that reaches a bit further than the Bemanistyle DDR forum. I can't see you convincing anywhere close to enough arcade owners for you to have any sort of impact on the sales of this game.

Yeah, because that isn't unnecessarily expensive. Good luck getting arcade owners to shell out 20k for machines, plus whatever the importing cost would run them.

Over at AIJ, it seems Dukamok is aware of the situation and is compiling complaints. Hopefully, he can get the word across and we can get the situation sorted out.

Haha, thing is, they are only aware of it once players complained? Seemed like they didn't test out the machine at all before testing except maybe "oh it turns on! ok release it!".

The thing is, how many people that work for Konami really are hardcore DDR players that can tell the difference between a good pad and a horrible one? Their tests were probably literally what you can see in the operator menu that tests each individual button. I'm not defending them or anything, but I don't think they ever thoroughly tested any of the DDR releases, good or bad.

Still inexcusable, as they could get hardcore DDR players to test it out before releasing very easily.

And if the point of location tests isn't for feedback gathering, it's just a "profitability location test" then.

The lag is caused by the HDTV used in the cabinet. The software sends a signal to the TV, which constantly updates, telling the TV which of the 2073600 pixels on the screen have changes colour. The TV changes the colour of the pixel and re-draws the frame.

When the frame is redrawn, the HDTV applies filters to the screen, such as anti-aliasing. This is called "signal prcessing". The ammount of time the TV takes to apply signal processing will vary, depending on how many of the pixels need to be re-drawn in the new frame.

The japanese cabinets use a HDTV which does not apply signal processing to the picture.

The western cabinets use a different HDTV, which applies signal processing.

This is why there is lag.

The ammount of lag cannot be modified in the operator menu, or altered via a patch, because it varies on every single frame, depending on how many pixels are being redrawn. The only way to disable it is to turn off the filters on the monitor itself, which may or may not be possible.

When we get UK cabinets, and an arcade owner who actually understands or cares about HD lag, then we'll know if and how we can fix it.

True, it does seem like the location tests were pointless. I really wish Konami would step up and give us some kind of statement about the release of DDRX in the US. While it would also be nice to get the product site, we didn't get the Supernova 2 site until 4 months after the first arcade location appeared.

Until we find out for sure with pictures or something of the monitor inside the Japanese/North American cabinets, then I'll be convinced they have sorted out the lag.

At the moment, it seems they applied 1 of the 2 patches that fixed timing.

Patch 1: Location Test Timing to Release Timing.
Patch 2: Release Timing to Fixed Release Timing.

Cos Tyma, you have to realise, even Japan and Asian cabinets have lag on their cabinets which got fixed within one week via e-AMUSE. Upgrade or not, all cabinets had some sort of lag; even the CRT DDRs had lag for christ's sake.

I am not convinced they have applied Patch 2 to the release software until anyone proves otherwise.

@Tyma:

If there's monitor lag on the dedicated cabs then why are there alleged complaints about the upgrade cabs lagging in the software?

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Here's my deal, If the JP machine worked so well (Not counting the lag), Why would you change that? Look, I can understand using GH parts can be cheaper and with this economy, that may be a good move. But there's a cheep way, and a right way and it’s clear what path was chosen. They will lose more money then save with this.

I also fell really bad for EU. They have not gotten a DDR after SN1, 2 long years of wait and this is what they get. Let’s just call it DDR Old Yeller, because It's like they are celebration 10 years of DDR by taking it behind the barn and shooting it. I bet some guy at Konami is laughing his ass off right now. After this I want to see some new dance game and show DDR X the piece of trash as it is and take the Dance game crown.

I think Konami is not ever trying anymore & why should they? There’s no competition and where there is, Konami sues the shit out of them, So why even try?

If this is the “Revolution to the Evolution”, then this is one Evolution I don’t want to be part of.

I know this may be the longest post I’ve ever posted and I’m not one to rant, but holy shit. I’m just really pissed of at this.

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The VISUAL lag is caused by the HDTV... Now explain the Audio lag.

Oh, don't tell me, Konami decided to use 3 2-channels instead of the standard 2/4 system? Honestly, GHAC has the same problems.

Has anybody been to the Infinity recently? If they got X, they BETTER have imported it...

Infinity=AI? I went last Thursday and X wasn't there.