Not what I wanted to see on twitter

A shame, but I guess if they can't make a profit from releasing games in the UK, then there's no point making them.

I don't see why they can't try and develop a virtual pad, ala-kinect style. If Kinect technology can track the whole body, then it can be programmed to see just your feet as well. And even though there would be no tactile feedback, the "pad" can be programmed to do different things. The pad size itself could even be bigger or smaller, depending on the person playing it. You wouldn't have to be confined to a 33 (or so) inch square anymore. (Heck, you could even position all the panels in each corner of the room if you wanted to) And since it's camera and motion based technology, you could record and upload your performance live to social-networking sites and participate in global rankings, all in real-time. And lastly, since the "pad" itself isn't physical, you wouldn't have to worry about ghost-stepping (unless the software running is glitchy) or slipping or "stickiness" for those who play barefoot. But I think that the nostalgic hardcore players wouldn't think of playing DDR in the same way, but the casuals would probably like it.

And if this virtual, kinect-style "pad" concept would take off, then future DDR games could use the traditional 4-panel play, as well as a choreographed mode, ala Just Dance, but with KO's and BEMANI crossovers in addition to licenses. But this cycle would only last probably 5 more years or so until an even newer dance concept emerges. (or if the genre dies as a whole because people are bored of dance games)

DDR *CAN* reinvent itself, but it chooses not to.

DanceEvolution says hi

I think DDR still has some appeal because it's really easy to learn. You don't have to memorize all these crazy moves, nor do you even need to use your arms. At the same time, it's still challenging when you get into it. It has its place sometimes and it certainly doesn't have to die out. To go back into a hiatus, maybe, but it can still be around. Just as it fades out of everyone's memory, it comes back, and people realize how awesome it was. A fad cycle, perhaps.

A Kinect sort of setup with a virtual mat would be interesting, and way less of a hassle than buying/shipping/repairing mats... I dunno, I love the arcade feel too much to be all in favor, but it has its perks. Also, Dance Masters hates registering my steps... xP

I am clearly in the minority when I say I want more stories and reasons to be attached to the characters to keep me interested in the series over other dance games (supposedly Dance Central has been doing that with voices and whatnot)... but blah, throwing it out there, anyway.

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Then how are you gonna feel the pad eh?
The problem with that is that you CANNOT lift your feet lightly... I mean look at 16/17~ songs that are stream based. If you have lots of drills Horatio style, how the heck are you going to lift your foot slightly (to conserve energy) while the camera/blah still detects that thing? Look for BROSONI's SUKI MELO edit, that shit isn't possible at all with 'virtual' pad.

And...

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I guess you can say...

*puts on shades*

...it's virtually impossible.

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I've said this many times, but the characters are what interested me in DDR. I didn't start paying attention to the charts until I got a metal pad and started getting good at playing. If Konami made DDR an RPG game that involved dancing for the fights or something, that might start a new crowd.(get in shape to defeat the final boss? navigate on your favorite character or create your own?)

Ala Lincle Kingdom? That's an interesting idea but I dislike the grinding it entails.

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At this point I'd rather just either.....

a. Stick with stepmania or

b. Buy a dedicab and stick with r21.

Roxxor knew what they were doing when they developed r21 to begin with. Fuck konami! They never cared anyway. Dance games can be played forever. It's just simply about about new content being developed. I'm going to have to buy my own dedicab at some point. I LOVE dance games way too much to just stop playing. At least we have stepmania for all those people who don't have the money for a dedicab.

yep, StepMania is the way to go for people like you.

Obviously KONAMI doesn't matter, even if KONAMI didn't exist ITG will still exist hurr hurr

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Oh hey another "Konami is mean to ITG and wah!" post.

Oh hey I just went over this in the last page. Of course nobody reads what I say, but that's ok. I'm suddenly coming to the realization that I may actually be a ghost.

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I thought we had this discussion ages ago about how that cute "ITG vs. DDR" war is irrelevant. ITG is it's own entity, it has no relevance to DDR, and vice versa. Can we come up with something new to clash over, or is this the best anyone can come up with, because if so then that's pathetic.

As for you MaxX, it's not that nobody read your post, but some people take information in one ear and it goes out the other, or in this case they read it and forget about the post and just repeat the same stuff that's already been said. You're no ghost, trust me, but understand that not everyone pays attention to what they type, so this kinda shit's bound to happen.

Getting back on topic to a certain degree, we know the UK DDR brand is practically done for, but the North American franchise isn't dead yet, and until we get a confirmation all we can do is wait and see what KONAMI's next move will be. It's not checkmate yet, but it sure feels like we're in check. I'm done now.

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DDR is relevant to ITG since in a way DDR gave birth to ITG (due to the EXTREME ~ SuperNOVA hiatus)


either that or they are too lazy to click that "previous page" button.

which is unjustified since this is only 3 pages.

And Ryu_Hirakashi, you're late. Like, really really late.

Also, NeoRevenG, don't post.

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Yeah, just like every DDR post on the facebook page, someone always has to come and troll about ITG. Knew this would happen.
And yeah, ITG wouldn't of existed without DDR.

While that's become really obnoxious, the DDR page itself is shit. Have you seen some of those attempts at memes they post? Or pointless things about someone getting their first A on a song on Heavy?

I don't follow this game's news anymore. In my opinion, this series is on its last leg in NA. KONMAI doesn't listen to what we want. I know it can be hard to include a lot of the songs we want because of licensing, but they could at least put the effort in to make the game what it used to be again.

In my eyes, it's really KONMIA's fault for the downhill spiral of this series. They tried to modernize it, and it would have worked. X2 is a great version in my opinion and I haven't seen much of X3, but it sounds like it's been a fairly solid release so far, but they were stupid enough to have Betson produce the cabinets again.

Also, I'm probably late to this joke, but I think CONAMI had Betson make shit sensors so when we had Freeze Arrows, we had to deal with them like rolls. X include a poor attempt at mines and rolls. So I guess they put some effort towards using ITGs exclusive features. Overall KONAMI should have just left ITG alone. I really don't think it would have affected DDR a ton in the long run. I prefer to play DDR officials (most) over ITG officials.

Why can't we just have all music games Coexist?

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lol wat

so many things are so funny with this post.

"X include poor attempt at mines and rolls"

rolls

lol

seriously?

also look at shock arrow charts now.

and blaming konami because betson fucked up? whoa.

easy to point out fuck ups, but can you offer a solution? another arcade distributor in the west that does a better job than betson AND bigger than betson?

DDR can't leave ITG alone, not when they are illegally converting DDR cabs to ITG cabs.

also congratulations to Ryu_Hirakashi for re-sparking all this shit again.



oh yeah, ddr players in the west are just bored with DDR. when ddr went to hiatus and usa was saturated with extreme, people got bored and guess what happened? itg.

then SN and SN2 came along with decent cab compared to the shit X and X2 dedicab.

but oh, people are already captivated with the technicality of ITG, all that speedy straightforward stream, they sure love em.

and that's why DDR died over there.

(Mirror added that the economy was shit too, in addition that most arcade operators don't do maintenance)

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*breathes deeply*


EDIT: THIS THREAD IS LOCKED! MAJOR PROPS TO ONI

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Ladies and gentlemen, round of applause for Silverhawke

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So can this thread be locked now or...........

sweeeeet

Yes.

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I'm not blaming Konami for Betson fucking up, I'm blaming Konami for going with Betson AGAIN for X2 even though it was well known that Betson did a terrible job with the X cabinets.

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