The League of Extraordinary Stepmen: Chapter 1 (Coming Soon)

great thread 5 stars would read again.

league of extraordinary threads

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I was added to the team for Rebirth 2. Not Rebirth 1. Same name as here, although I haven't done much due to a lack of activity on the forums, and taking a break from stepfile making for a few months a while ago. I was added to the team after I sent them a small sample of some of my singles and doubles charts, and the team held a vote. It was nearly unanimous to let me in.

I have no problem with feedback. F E E D B A C K. Not trolling (I can only hope that you are trolling with all of your behavior since it would be sad if you were being serious), incorrect generalizations, and plain stupidity about the pack. And that is all you have contributed.

I personally talk to several members of the original Rebirth team on a daily basis. WinDEU, Spooty Biscuit, Hatena Zubon, etc. They have said that your sync is absolutely terrible, and was a mess to redo. When I said "WinDEU also says you're irrelevant", I wasn't just making shit up. None of them take you seriously. Same goes with every single ITG player I have ever talked to about the sync of Rebirth.

Not that there's proof of this (besides maybe a friend of mine that remembers it, but that isn't proof), so it sounds dumb or made up, but I sync'd NTS perfectly fine several years ago. To my knowledge, I was the first person to make a file for the song, as I charted it a day after the song came out for download on the old Dancetrax preview site. My chart was a dump back then, but still. On the subject of Night Time Story, Spooty Biscuit was telling me a story about having to fix something of your when that file was being made. Something about how you didn't understand that it was a different time signature? I forget the specifics and he's not online at the moment.

The 'judge 1' accusation was after viewing that second most recent video of yours. Some 11, and your footsteps are ALL over the place while still getting fantastics. You just flail about during the step jumps and still combo them with minimal greats. I sent it to a few friends to see if I was just imagining things, and they agreed that the sound of your steps vs. the judgments you were receiving didn't seem to match up. There wouldn't be audio lag between your steps and the music, anyways. I wasn't comparing your steps to only the video of the chart.

And why in the hell would you use an incorrect revision of Rebirth? Are you that egocentric that you can't recognize that you fucked up, and others improved on it?


yeah this thread rules

i printed it out hundreds of times and made a sort of internet rhythm game forum tapestry out of it

i could gaze upon its splendor for days and days...

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im glad im on 2/3 of it

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So, I was asking him about some of this (in case I was mistaken), and WinDEU is pretty much confirming that you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about with the Rebirth changes. They were not just a global offset problem. The songs had to be resync'd by on a song-by-song basis. Some were early, some were late, some drifted, and I'm assuming some actually were fine. Also, you fail to mention him fixing up a bunch of your original mistakes before the first release. The words "he's one of those delusional people that is convinced they are never wrong" came up a couple times, too. It's neat how you can somehow ignore the entire development team AND the entire ITG community about this for well over a year.

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Get WinDEU in here and this will be the best thread ever.

I'll ask him next time he's online. I'll ask Spooty, too, just for some more input. Not sure if they'll actually feel like posting, but it can't hurt. It'll probably be late tonight, though.

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F E E D B A C K - I hate nonsense sync gimmicks, overly difficult charts, lack of easier charts, and most ITG community packs. Sorry I didn't play any file enough to give constructive criticism, it would be like asking me to figure out what part of the vomit I disliked and why.
Wow, really, and yet not a single person had the courage to even suggest my synching was off? For over an entire year? Gossip = bitch talk, have Hatena contact me personally and I will quit the team (not like I'm forced to be part of it anyways).
And this bothers you why? I don't boast my scores and they aren't even that good. But if you want proof, at StepManiaOnline there were a few pad competitions. For the record you can't play StepManiaOnline on anything UNDER judge 4 and with default SM timing windows which are slightly tighter than ITG. There were two contests I was aware of and I entered both of them, pad play was ensured by the judge of the contest by viewing everyone's log of the event. I won them both by a big margin, just proving I play on normal timing windows in fact I've never ever changed the Judge setting.
Dreams to Nightmare is junk, Epileptic Crisis is junk as well (just keep the damn song at 380.000 and live with it IMHO), but VerTex^2 actually requires most of those (maybe all) speed changes to keep up with the song. A better analysis would be Robotix which has a big sync gimmick, but it's more for fun rather than to make the song stupid-hard. So ITG doesn't have ANY crap-gimmicks and yet all these ITG knockoff packs are full of them...
Just for the record, you don't speak for EVERYONE and you never will. That would be like me saying I don't like "Madagascar" because EVERYONE I know doesn't like it, even though I never even watched it, you see how pointless that is? And if every song in the arcade was off by 12ms I would hate the pack as well, but at least I'd try it.
And you are THE single authority on dance games, everyone else's opinion is irrelevant right? You are nothing but an egotistic moron, ITG has high quality simfiles, in fact the ones I least like were from FoyBoy. You know the biggest difference here is that you think to highly of your own opinion where I can accept my own opinion, such as I like ITG charts and I don't like this pack, that is nothing more than my opinion and you can't change that no matter how much you want to.
The fixes were mostly more song-cuts and fixing the GlobalOffset. ALL songs were EARLY, nothing was late, and nothing was just fine, because of the globaloffset issue, nobody has pointed out a single song that drifted other than Rynker who is a pretty good syncher himself, even though he was completely WRONG and admits it. I am not convinced I'm never wrong, I am instead my own biggest critic and I make many mistakes, I encourage EVERYONE to point them out, there are LONG threads where I say this over and over, plus PM's where someone points out an error and I gladly re-check it many times to fix a mistake I MADE and I am happy to be corrected. But don't take my word for it, I gave you a link to ITG Rebirth Rev. 1 with an exact copy of the thread (you can check the date of my last post and know I didn't make any changes, or even just see my sync data in all the files), then just fix the OFFSET as I said +0.012 and tell me how horrible my sync is. It seems to me you are just making up alot of nothing, and for the record WinDEU provided me with nothing before the release, but one thing is true each song was fixed on a one-by-one basis because that's how the new syncher works (he wanted to start from a clean slate, I do the same thing myself even when it's clearly a GlobalOffset issue because even then a value may drift slightly both BPM and OFFSET, he and I obviously take nothing for granted, plus when you re-cut songs you can easily end up with new OFFSETS sometimes due to the program you use). However I downloaded Rev.2 and that was how I found the +0.012 offset error (that was the difference from the new offsets and my PC, and his new offsets were based on ITG2AC R16+, and YES it is true that every single OFFSET is changed even when the song wasn't altered (but don't just trust me, check for yourself, the facts are available), it was a globaloffset error, and I had no way of knowing about it other than trusting the play-testers and trusting "Walking on Fire", where the exact file was presented to me and was promised to be the most on-beat file from ITG2AC R16+.

He was good enough to be part of ITG3 before the shit hit the fan, and there was no time before anyone knew how to make a stepfile good. If anything stepfiles have gone downhill in the ITG community about 2-3 years ago, thankfully there are still high quality simfile authors such as many of the files from BestMix 4, especially the ITG division of files contain mostly really awesome files! Not that I can change your opinion and clearly your opinion of a 'good' simfile is much different than mine, we could agree to disagree but that would require you to admit you are not the lone authority on all things dance machine related which I'm willing to bet you have a hard time believing.

tl;dr, get off your pedestal.

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Hi!

Going to go ahead and back up Revolver here.

While there certainly isn't anything wrong with that, there was no need to post in this thread in the first place. This pack obviously isn't catered towards players such as yourself (again, nothing wrong with that), so why are you bothering to bash something in which you're not even a part of the intended audience?

Maybe it's just me, but making ITG simfiles is all about the...well, charts. Obviously a banner and background are nice (if anything, to differenciate between other simfiles of the same song by different chart artists), but anything beyond that really isn't necessary. Like Revolver said, almost no one will pay attention to the background video. As far as the Novice-Hard difficulties go, Revolver and the three people he worked with simply chose not to make those difficulties. They wanted to focus on making the quality of the one chart they made for each song as top-notch as possible. As far as the other two items are concerned (sync and being paddable), I can't say anything about the sync since I haven't played the files on a machine yet, but as far as I'm concerned I would play a majority of the simfiles on pad in a heartbeat. The people who worked on this pack made sure that the steps were paddable.

I'm not sure if you've been keeping up with the ITG community and what kind of files are out there as of late; admittedly I don't know about half of the files that people play now-a-days, but I'm still in-tune of what is majorly accepted as a good, fun chart. Of course, being a chart artist you are entitled to your own style, but there is still a loose, semi-unwritten standard of quality that all known chart artists go by.

SO! I have a challenge for you hellrazor. Make a brief summary of each and every file in this pack, what you did and didn't like about each song. I did this because I wanted to help out these guys with feedback, and I don't regret it at all. Going through each flie in this pack, I've found plenty of songs that I will want to pad in the very near future. If you're wondering about my reviews, I'll go ahead and post these at the end here (with spoiler tags, if you don't want to take a look and try an unbiased approach).

Arcadian - Pretty average difficulty for an 11. Nothing really stood out aside from the 3-arrow sections, which are always interesting to play.

Destination Relapse - The one thing I didn't like about this chart were the sections that come in bursts of 3 16ths, the next of which always starts off on the previous note. But hey, it goes with the music and it's more a personal dislike for that particular pattern than anything.

Electronized - Looks like a fun, technical 10. No complaints here!

Enraptured Soulz - Didn't like this one, mostly because of the stops (even though it would be the same patterns without them). They would still throw me off constantly because I'm retarded. I don't know, just didn't really find this one interesting.

Fantasy Flight - I really liked the patterns used in the mini streams, it's basically how I would have stepped them.

For You - Looks pretty streamy and fun. Maybe it's just me, but I would call this a high 10 rather than an 11. Despite the step count, it just seems like a constant difficulty, rather than any sort of spike that would bump it up to an 11. I'd have to try it on pad though.

Gentlemen - More of a very tough 13 in my opinion. The 24th bursts in the middle of the 16th stream are just basically telling you to go faster at this part, rather than making you move all over the place, since they're always confined to 2 arrows. I'll definitely give this a go on pad.

Good Bye - Wasn't sure if this was an 11 until the two 24th runs hit, haha. I'd definitely play this as a warmup, looks pretty fun.

Gravity Blast - Kind of a tough 12, plenty of stream. Not really much to say, but I liked the "Hold-step-step" patterns repeating on the same three arrows. That was a nice touch.

Hatsune Miku no Tomadoi - I'll stick with Syoushitsu instead. :p Slightly better song/chart than this IMO.

Lament Configuration - Amazing song, and awesome chart to boot. A very nice introduction to footswitching.

Miracle Meets - Looks like a fun chart, although the difficulty seems a bit inbalanced. First half is practically an 8, while the second half is a high 9, if only because of the 24th bursts...and even then, the patterns are very simple. I have to agree with Spooty about it being a 9.

Mirage Garden - The fact that the song (and hence, the chart) is all over the place will give me a lot of trouble. I'm curious to try it on pad but I'll probably get my ass handed to me, heh. It's okay though, the BG changes more than make up for it. ;)

Negative Nature - Definitely a very unique chart. However, even though the song has clearly defined sections, they all still feel pretty repetitive, and the chart suffers somewhat from this. Personally, I don't see myself playing it on pad.

Oosanbashi - Looks pretty fun, I'll definitely give this a shot. It would have been very interesting to see if the 24ths were fully stepped, but I definitely don't mind it as is.

Presentament - Song is soooo good. Pretty average 10, not really much you can do with the song beyond that. I'll gladly play this on pad.

Resurrected Replayer - The 24ths and 32nds seal the 11 difficulty. Very interesting chart, it has plenty of things that stand out. The 3-arrow sections were done beautifully. I'm indifferent about the middle with the right arrow and jump section. Loving those 32nd bursts. They're easy and isolated enough to do comfortably. I'll be playing this on pad for sure.

Smooooch (DJ Command Remix) - Looks like a very hard 11, would definitely provide a nice challenge. 24th bursts are going to be fun to try on pad. Also of note, I spazzed out at the beginning 20 seconds because of that blue arrow syndrome. Just one of my pet peeves of charts, heh.

Stereo Sonic - Easyish 12. First half was alright. Not really much that could be done with the song, but it's good as is. The second half of the chart was where it really started to shine. Loved the footswitch mini runs.

Talli Hua - Pretty easy 10. The repeating 3 note 16ths stood out the most to me, they look fun to do.

Tanglang - I honestly had no idea what to expect going into this chart. Nice visual effects with the BPM that aren't too overdone. The runs overall (especially the last one) make it a pretty tough 13. I'll give it a try, see how things go.

The Sonic Song - Meh, just your generic stream chart I suppose. I don't know if I'd call it a 13, it seems a tiny bit slow.

The Vampire Saga - Awesome stuff right here. Absolutely no complaints.

White Tiger - Outside of the run, nice job on switching up rhythms before they became dull and overused. It kept the chart fresh. If the run weren't there it would probably be a hard 10 or easy 11, but it's a 12 with it.

You have a point. To be honest I only played 4 files and I didn't play entirely through any single one. I'm a big fan of complete charts, music videos, and no gimmicks, my post was mostly my venting at the frustration at the direction most ITG styled packs have gone. I will accept your 'challenge' and provide some more sincere feedback about each of these charts/files... Just be warned I'm already biased against most of these and I can't play worth shit on keyboard (I'll have to either slow them down or review them in the editor), but at least there are some good graphics (I HATE when packs leave out graphics), but I will try to be as fair as I can be. I'm also actually looking forward to playing Revolver's charts since he's good enough to have gotten into Rebirth.

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I like how hellrazor's posts still make no fucking sense, after all this time.

These charts aren't "overly difficult" or full of "nonsense gimmicks", except for Enraptured Soulz. "Overly difficult" implies that they are harder than the song calls for, and that just isn't true. Sorry if you want to play DDR 7-footer charts for everything, but that doesn't make these stepcharts complete bullshit. They follow the music. Very well, at that.

I have had multiple people confirm that the sync problem with Rebirth was not every song being early. Good ITG players, and other people that worked on Rebirth. Song cuts were a problem, as well as drifting, and songs being offsync by varying amounts. Do you really want to keep this lie up? I mean, everyone I've brought this up with has responded with laughter. At you. "Delusional" has been the word that comes up most often.

As a note, SMO is not 100% secure when it comes to cheating. And playing on judge 1 would matter when you claim to be an expert on song syncing, but you use wider windows. If you didn't play on judge 1, my bad. It just sounds really fishy in the one video I watched.

Being one of the better-known ITG stepchart artists, I'd say my opinion isn't exactly worthless when it comes to ITG-style charts. Not trying to be arrogant, but I would take the opinion of someone who has been making ITG charts for years over the opinion of someone random that I didn't know. Still, you act as those my opinions about the type of charts I've been making for years are ridiculous. At the same time, your opinions are absurd! You've been going around these forums (and ITGfreak, and who knows where else) acting as if they are the law when it comes to dance games. You've been claiming that anyone who brackets, flat-foots, or doesn't like to spin (what the fuck?) is a cheater. You've been claiming that your sync is perfect (mountains of evidence against that, even your own youtube videos), and that anyone who doesn't make full singles charts can't pattern a pad chart correctly. Where do you get off talking about the validity of one's opinion, when your own opinions are able to be proven incorrect?

Plus, your argument against my opinion is "WELL NO MY OPINION IS RIGHT". That is not a valid argument against one's opinion. Anyways, can you seriously point at many good quality ITG charts? Charts where the arrows follow the music, instead of being randomly placed 16th triplets with extra jumps and doublestepping? Kyle Ward never made a sensible charts, Emirzian made a lot of charts that were extremely repetitive and filled with random crossovers, and anyone else besides those people and C. Foy didn't make enough charts to be that important, as far as I can recall. While C. Foy did a lot of experimental stuff, he was one of the few that actually tried to make the charts follow the song, as opposed to making up rhythms as he went.



ANYWAYS GETTING PAST THE BICKERING

I'm looking forward to seeing if you can actually give feedback on these charts, without making shit up because we didn't put music videos and full singles charts. At one point we considered doing this, and I was the one who suggested full singles in the first place. However, Mootz was against it in the first place, and the idea was thrown aside due to some of others wanting to release this as soon as we could, instead of waiting for 96 other charts to be made. Especially when 99% of the ITG community would never touch them.

by the way HI NICK SUP BRO

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How about a challenge for you as well, since you seem so intent on calling out my lack of synching ability, how about actually prove something with the "mountain of evidence" that is available. Feel free to use Rebirth Rev. 1, or any of my own simfiles:
http://zenius-i-vanisher.com/v5.2/viewsimfilecategory.php?categoryid=274 . There are TONS of difficult to sync simfiles I've worked on so plenty of areas where mistakes can be found, and if you find one I will take a serious look into it. Just like I conceded that my sync on the slow part of NTS and a few other Rebirth charts, I promise I will seriously try to validate your finding(s). If you want more material, I believe all of DDR Ultramix 3 is also using my synching: http://zenius-i-vanisher.com/v5.2/viewsimfilecategory.php?categoryid=18 and I have 7000 other simfiles I could send you with more of my synching since I've re-synched everything in my library (hint: a good way to become good at synching is to do it ALOT and really get upset when anything is even slightly off-beat).
Plus you can't "prove someone's 'opinion' is incorrect", and synching isn't a matter of opinion it is full of facts.
One more thing that may comfort you, I sync on keyboard using fairly easy charts, I play on PAD. I believe I can sync to within 1ms of the beat, even though I can't play worth shit on keyboard, I play much better on pad but if my timing was nearly as good on pad I would be a beast (but my foot timing has greatly improved over time, my keyboard synching hasn't changed, so even if I couldn't play well on pad I could still sync, the two are not related for me although I know most people auto-sync while foot-playing I obviously don't). I also sync on a different computer using a different SM build than the one I play on, and I re-sync EVERYTHING before I ever move it to my pad machine because I want to make sure everything is perfect before I keep it (even though I occasionally find mistakes still [although very rarely], I am human).

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Give me a couple days, and I shall do this to the best of my ability. If I actually have to download the original Rebirth and Rebirth rev. 2, it'll take some time. My connection isn't very fast.

EDIT: I'll be getting revision 1 and revision 2 sometime in the next day or two, and writing a list of every change for every song. For now, have a bunch of links of players talking about songs having wrong BPMs, being early, being late, a few feeling right, and major drifting issues. Also, a good amount are confirmed by Rebirth staff members.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iQ0k7eiGhjE&feature=player_embedded MMX almost getting more excellents than fantastics when using hide judgment to show how offsync Indulgence was.

http://aaronin.jp/boards/viewtopic.php?p=283495#283495 Dead Souls having a late slowdown and not the whole song being late.

http://aaronin.jp/boards/viewtopic.php?p=285463#285463 Incorrect stops in Metallik Heart, causing it to drift earlier and earlier. Also, talk from players about 'getting used to finding where the BETA songs drift'.

http://aaronin.jp/boards/viewtopic.php?p=286267#286267 "I won't defend hellrazors syncing job..."

http://aaronin.jp/boards/viewtopic.php?p=286679#286679 DoTA has an incorrect stop, causing it to drift late.

http://aaronin.jp/boards/viewtopic.php?p=288941#288941 & http://aaronin.jp/boards/viewtopic.php?p=288943#288943 List of songs that're offsync or drift, not by the same amount

http://aaronin.jp/boards/viewtopic.php?p=289141#289141 Etude is wrong, Popcorn is a little late, Indulgence is REALLY late

http://aaronin.jp/boards/viewtopic.php?p=289151#289151 Rojoky confirming Etude being incorrect, Indulgence being 11-12 ms late, and Popcorn being 3 ms late

http://aaronin.jp/boards/viewtopic.php?p=289194#289194 Rojoky talking about incorrect BPMs, not just cuts, that caused songs to drift. Drifting issue, not an offset issue. Also, Epileptic Crisis had incorrect stops.

http://aaronin.jp/boards/viewtopic.php?p=290634#290634 Rojoky confirming the entire BPM of One Thousand Cranes was incorrect.

http://aaronin.jp/boards/viewtopic.php?p=294598#294598 Space Space Shooter being late, possibly drifting later.

http://aaronin.jp/boards/viewtopic.php?p=295239#295239 Dead Souls drifts like crazy, Do You Do You Love Me has a wrong BPM, drifts, and then has terrible stop issues.

http://aaronin.jp/boards/viewtopic.php?p=294377#294377 Mongolian Grill has an incorrect BPM, Palindrome has wrong BPM changes

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Thank you, I'm not a member of AIJ and I have never read any of these (nor can I access the links).

#MUSICead Souls.ogg;
#BPMS:0=155,132=77.5,164=155;
So, the slowdown should have begun before 132? Also, I finalized sync, I didn't establish slow-downs in fact I would discourage them ALWAYS, is the true issue here a belief that 155.000 is incorrect or perhaps the player likes slow-downs to lag behind the true beat??? No song-cut errors here, in fact I'll bet Rev. 2 uses the SAME BPM and the SAME SLOWDOWN. If it drifted with my values it will still drift (I'll check it again though).

#MUSIC:Metallik Heart.ogg;
#DISPLAYBPM:160;
#BPMS:0=160,30.5=640,31.5=160,47=1280,48=160,79=1280,80=160,111=1280,112=160,142.75=640,144=160,224=640,230.5=160,247=1280,248=160,278.75=640,280=160;
#STOPS:30.5=0.0703125,30.75=0.0703125,31=0.0703125,31.25=0.0703125,47=0.328125,79=0.328125,111=0.328125,142.75=0.0703125,143=0.0703125,143.25=0.0703125,143.5=0.0703125,143.75=0.0703125,224=0.0703125,224.25=0.0703125,224.5=0.0703125,224.75=0.0703125,225=0.0703125,225.25=0.0703125,225.5=0.0703125,225.75=0.0703125,226=0.0703125,226.25=0.0703125,226.5=0.0703125,226.75=0.0703125,227=0.0703125,227.25=0.0703125,227.5=0.0703125,227.75=0.0703125,228=0.0703125,228.25=0.0703125,228.5=0.0703125,228.75=0.0703125,229=0.0703125,229.25=0.0703125,229.5=0.0703125,229.75=0.0703125,230=0.0703125,230.25=0.0703125,247=0.328125,278.75=0.0703125,279=0.0703125,279.25=0.0703125,279.5=0.0703125,279.75=0.0703125;
Everything here is based on the TRUE 160.000 BPM, again no song-cuts and I doubt any of those STOPS are incorrect, I have a high intolerance for off-beat and I use plenty of sig-figs), is the doubt that 160.000 is correct? Also note I sync songs W/O any gimmicks, I add the gimmicks back in later because I'm that anal about sync.

#MUSIC:Vi Sitter I Ventrilo Och Spelar DotA.ogg;
#BPMS:0=140;
#STOPS:158=1.285714;
Again, perfect BPM, perfect STOP, no song-cut, doubt the Rev. 2 is any different perhaps the STOP is rounded to 1.286?

Rojoky confirming Etude being incorrect, Indulgence being 11-12 ms late, and Popcorn being 3 ms late.
-- Remember he didn't keep or use any of my sync data, but I'll double check Popcorn tomorrow, that would be a true OFFSET error which is possible, again I don't think Rojoky ever used any of my sync data.

#MUSIC:One Thousand Cranes.ogg;
#DISPLAYBPM:143;
#BPMS:0=143.41;
One BPM, I'm curious to see what BPM he used in Rev. 2.

I'd really rather have some numbers to work with, or even something you and I can discuss. Perhaps you can download the pack and with all this data you have in front of you, easily find something you agree with.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iQ0k7eiGhjE&feature=player_embedded MMX almost getting more excellents than fantastics when using hide judgment to show how offsync Indulgence was.
I'm not surprised and I've seen this video, it's a GlobalOffset error and I don't doubt it at all, a difference of -0.012ms will easily cause that problem, I'm upset none of the play-testers did such a test nor did the Rebirth team (it's a fantastic way to ensure sync I use it quite a bit).

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Uhh, excuse me? We didn't exactly resync everything for shits and giggles. We did it because your sync was wrong. I figured that fact was obvious. Besides, we have mentioned it to you personally before. Not our problem if you didn't bother to read it.


Dream to Nightmare's sync gimmicks were planned out by the original ITG team before it was dropped for legal issues. And the speedup at the end of VerTex and VerTex^2 are completely unnecessary in syncing terms. Also, what defines a tempo gimmick as "fun", anyway?


Actually... he kind of does. The sync was bad, and I don't know anyone who will try to argue that fact. Again, hence the resync.


I won't argue the fact that Revolver's a bit egotistical at some points (but really, who in this thread isn't? *COUGH*), but his statement here isn't without merit. Times have changed. Standards have changed. And the simple fact of the matter is, that in retrospect, the vast majority of the ITG official charts (at least, the expert charts) could have been written better. They aren't flawless. Nothing is. That is simple fact.

Uh. They had your old sync. It was wrong. They fixed it for revision 2. What do you not understand about that? What is this bullshit about not having any of your data? He didn't keep or use any of your data *as part of revision 2*.

And I'd like to bet that you're wrong. Very, very wrong. The people in the thread talk about Dead Souls being off, then it being changed and being a bit better, and then being changed again and being much better.

Keep pretending that none of this proof exists, even when it is presented to you. I'll have an entire list of changes from from revision 1 to revision 2 in a couple days, so it's only a matter of time when you have an entire list of "numbers to work with".

Also, that 11-12ms difference, it would not have caused MMX to almost get more excellents than fantastics. Just sayin'.


MORE EGOTISTICAL THAN YOU 'CAUSE I'M THE BEST AT IT /flex

AND BECAUSE FACEBOOK OBVIOUSLY MATTERS

NAME REMOVED oh lord hellrazor. Please let him follow through with his threat to ditch Rebirth. I'll be SO glad to be rid of him.
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NAME REMOVED HELLRAZOR!

Yeah, keep his "sync" far away from this pack. Better yet, just keep him away from the pack.
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This pack needs more Lady Gaga.

P-P-P-POK no.

Unless it is this:

Because that is beautiful.

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Given that you were on the team, being part of Rebirth means shit all.

Well you have Hatsune Miku, jeez.