DanceDanceRevolution A (AC)

or how about no 20s at all

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Wait, the same part that Little Matt PFC'd?

https://twitter.com/hudsonfelker/status/939702548356849664

But I thought the only two DDR players were Chris and FEFEMZ?

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How about Konami outsources it's charting to... anywhere else?

We all wish that would happen, but it won't.

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So Valkyrie is hard because ITG players who have experience with the 480 BPM part have no experience with the 372 BPM part, and DDR players who have experience with the 372 BPM part have no experience with the 480 BPM part?

/shitpost

AfA ESP AC data:


I like that you guys are still talking about charts even though there are legitimate simfiles for Endymion and AfA, that you guys have been obsessing about, straight from the arcade HDD

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How the infamous jump at the end of VD is supposed to be done. Trying to do the crossover stepjump legitimately would force you to do a candle doublestep immediatelly afterwards with the leg that's already pressed the down arrow twice in a row, which isn't viable in the slightest.

I could write a 500 word essay on why I like Pluto The First (and another why isn't even that hard by DDR 18 standards despite what this entire community would want you to believe), but don't have time for it right now, so I'll just get a few points across:
- the chart itself (without BPM changes) places about right in the middle of 17s difficulty-wise and is a great introduction to harder ~220BPM charts (888, Egoism 440, Endymion, hell it's much easier to full combo than Determinator from ITG if you want to compare it to that)
- the stops are all tied to the music, intuitive and follow a simpler rhythm pattern than the ones in the original Pluto
- all slowdowns (sections slower than 440BPM in this case) have relatively slow and easy to read patterns, no 16ths or, heaven help, 32nd streams to read
- it doesn't bother following the musical notes in the slightest, but the resulting rhythms are catchy and fun to execute (I have a soft spot for these kind of charts, mostly because I'd never be capable of writing something like that)
- it keeps gradually growing in difficulty up until the end, but the hardest parts aren't overbearingly difficult compared to the next-hardest ones, which is a hallmark of good difficulty balance within the chart
- the few bullshit parts (mostly the stops right before the first 440BPM) are easy to remember (bullshit to PFC though, admittedly)
- even if the sync is garbage, it shouldn't be a factor in rating the chart's structure, which is what I'm reviewing here
Seriously, play it on Stepmania with CMod a few times and you'll grow to like it.

As for DDR 20s, we can probably expect some combination of 260BPM long-ish streams, 240BPM crossover streams, 220BPM streams with extremely bullshit step rethoric, 150-200BPM 24th / 32nd bursts or short streams (including asymmetric brackets), irregular quantization in streams, bracket jumps (probably not bracket spam though - this isn't Pump It Up), jumpstreams, jacks/footswitches of any kind like PRevo but faster - all likely augmented by some bullshit scroll gimmicks because Konami. I have a bunch of WIP hypothetical DDR 20-esque charts laying around on hard drive and waiting to be finished, coming up with them is not rocket science if you look at Pump It Up and even IIDX charts for inspiration.

>Even if the sync is garbage, it shouldn't be a factor in rating the chart's structure

So basically the most crippling thing that can be in a song in this game just gets handwaved, okay.

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See i never thought i'd side with Quickman but he's right. What you're saying is in an ideal world if the song was synced properly and was played constantly at 200 ish bpm with just the stops in the right places for the right amount of times it'd be a good chart. The problem is it isn't an ideal world, the song gets really off sync allegedly, it has all the weird bpm changes and the shock arrow chart and these are the reasons people dont like it.

Its like when FAXX came out and people were saying its absolutely awful for having messed up stops in it forcing the song to be all yellow/green, and for being a nightmare to read as a result, when you learn the chart its alright and actually nowhere near as aggressive as it initially seemed way back when it came out. The only difference between that and PTF is that even if you do get used to all the bpm quirks of PTF, you still have the underlying problem of "Its too offsync to enjoy" which is a huge problem otherwise all the DDR X cabinets that were upgraded to X2 in the US and Europe would have been fine to play on despite their hilariously bad syncing issues.

The most important thing to bear in mind though is if you like the chart for your own reasons then you like it, doesn't matter what other people think and that goes to just about everyone on here. Nobody has to be aggressive and challenge people's personal opinions on what is basically a game. I only say this because i've seen it a LOT on here lately and it's starting to get really irritating to read through to be honest.

On an aside if that AFA chart is legit then wow they really have regressed back to the max/max 2 era where theres just intentional garbage for the sake of making it difficult to score on (max had some hilariously bad bpm changes in songs that didnt need them, max 2 had all the challenge only charts having deliberate charting errors to make them seem more difficult to clear under challenge mode)

Check their respective simfiles, it's legit; Endy and AfA have their respective BGAs, too.

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The sync can always be fixed whenever the devs at Konami feel like it (which is probably never, but the point stands), and if you play the chart at home in Stepmania you can do a minor fix yourself. Compare this to the likelihood of them tampering with the steps themselves, which so far has only happened outside isolated cases during the DDR X software update when charts that were meant to have 12th and derivative notes but didn't because they didn't exist before then got overhauled. So yeah, I consider offsync charts to not be such a big of a deal, because if the chart's skeleton or steps are screwed up once, it's most likely stuck with them forever.

They're nowhere near as bad as in the worse half of 18s. The worst offenders (Blew My Mind, Cosy Catastrophe, FAXX) have short streams or nontrivial patterns at quarter of their top scrolling speed, a good portion of the rest (888, Anti-Matter, DEGRS, Elemental Creation, IX, MAX Period, New Century, New Decade, Possession, Tohoku Evolved, all 18 on 19 songs) at half. By comparison the worst PtF does at half scrolling speed are three simple 16th note triplets at the very end and the one quarter scroll speed part at the beginning is short and simple.

Anyone else not going to be surprised if AfA gets an inevitable 18 on its complete unlocking? It sounds like there's something else in there, maybe a 17 but the speedchanges will probably bump it up.

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I'm gonna need more proof than a simfile running on a DDR 2014 theme, I'm afraid.

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If the BGAs, oggs and the beginning steps of AfA aren't enough, then I don't know what else will persuade you that they're legit

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Wouldn't surprise me if he's spliced the audio to remove the announcer. I doubt jindev actually has DDRA data.

I'm fully anticipating FEFEMZ disproving this simfile the next time he gets further.

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Try downloading their respective simfiles from the DDR A category first
Also jindev has no DDR A AC data; it's from tacoface.

It's kinda weird that he just gave us the files out of the blue since he just registered this very day.

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Some evidence in favor:
- This is more than someone just hopping on Stepmania and making an edit chart, because they also have Endymion's movie, parts of Ace For Aces' movie that are otherwise covered up by graphics, and clean audio for Ace For Aces. It doesn't look like you can get clean audio from lineouts alone; S- and D- shout "100 combos" in overlapping spots, we have no lineouts of S-, and the only lineout we have of D- has a crowd cheer at that spot.

Some evidence against:
- On the Encore Extra Stage screen, there's a "Connecting" progress bar and different load times between plays. It looks like the game actually fetches stepchart data and the like from Konami's servers before the song, which would mean that a hacker couldn't just pull the hard drive out of a machine and dump the chart that way. They'd have to have someone actually play Ace For Aces and dump live RAM from the machine on the fly. This isn't impossible (the machine is just a fork of Windows iirc), but it's much more difficult and it's something I'm not believing without at the least evidence of the dump's setup.
- The machine certainly doesn't store any stepchart data in .SM format, which means that someone also bothered to convert DDR's stepchart format into .SM, without any trace of the original mentioned or uploaded. This is suspicious.
- Ace For Aces and were uploaded in separate .SMs hours apart, with the exchange making it look like the provider forgot about . A troll in this position could've used the time to make up a chart. The machine must fetch all the charts at once (otherwise no one would have access to ), so why the separate uploads?

How we can get some more evidence relatively fast:
- Have Dr.D and Estepper redo that "one player on each pad" trick for Endymion D-, but on CUT2 instead of CUT1. See if the newly revealed 8th notes match the alleged chart.

oh

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I don't think that's the case. I think the different loading times are like that just for aesthetics.

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