DanceDanceRevolution X (AC) (International)

The hell End of Century doubles isn't tiring. But I can FC it my first try, does that make me better than you? I think your idea of "skilled" is extremely skewed. If someone can AA 7 footers, they are skilled at DDR. Anything above that is excellence and above. Remember, there's a whole range of players who struggle to pass a 9 footer, much less pass a course such as ranking #6. Having stamina is ONE aspect at being a skilled player. I have stamina, but I know several players who can AA many 10 footers but couldn't play for 2 hours straight like I can. Also remember, if you hold the bar, having stamina isn't nearly as necessary. I do believe Dr. D may use the bar (correct me if I'm wrong). Not to mention Doll Challenge has some pretty crazy turns that can wear you out.

No, I'm not, I've been playing this fucking game longer than you have, but there's not much I can do with a shorter gauge of stamina, I probably could pass Ranking Course 6 no problem, but not if I've been playing all day long. My best approach would be to have one run of warm up songs and then immediately play the course. (and take longer rest periods afterwards)

Am I unskilled since my PA is crap, even though I SDP songs all the time on SM? Then again, I don't know if I could AA a 7 because they're too easy to build me up for 9's. On Singles, I play exclusively 8's and up for that reason. (Note: I haven't played in a long time, and even before, it was becoming less and less frequent, so that's why I've been stuck here all this time.)

I can FC several 8's and A several 9's; is that skilled enough?

It also bothers me how I can't translate my keyboard AAAs even to pad AAs. My timing is somehow off and I have sometimes 100 Greats. Why is it so easy for me to hit inside the Marvelous window on SM, but not the Perfect window on DDR?

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DDR X AC is also out in the UK too?

weird find, it says that the machines are in stock...but i don't know =/

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Because getting you whole body to coordinate to a beat and rhythm are totally different from getting your fingers to do it. When playing DDR you have to compensate for stuff like the time it takes to jump and land on a pad, how to turn to steps, recoiling your foot, how to handle 16th notes, etc. So unfortunately, I will say that you not that skilled at DDR if you cannot AA 7 footers. Does that mean you're bad? No way! As long as you continue to improve you'll get there.

And besides, most people's keyboard skills are leaps and bounds better then their DDR padding skills.

When I look at scoring pages on singles charts, and notice that my best score would be below the top 200 out of 300, or on doubles when I see that my score is below the the top 15 out of 20, that's what shapes my view of what it means to be skilled. When I go to a local tournament, and take solid last by the largest margin between players, that shapes my view of what it means to be skilled.
When I see practically every other poster on r21freak post 99s and quads on 9s and 10s, or 96s and 98s and 12s and 13s (ITG scale), that shapes my view of what it means to be skilled.
So, yes, my idea of "skilled" may be extremely skewed, because I have seen different things than you. Maybe I've only seen the upper end of the range, and not seen much of the lower end, but I do not consider myself an unusually skilled player. I consider my skill to be average or even below average for the amount of time I have played. Thus, anything I can do, 60% or more can do a lot better. This matches what I see on the score tracker.
Well, then you've ended up with a different body of information to build a view of "skilled" from. I would have thought that different people having played for over 2 years would have similar views of what it means to be "skilled". You must be playing in a very different environment.

*waits for UK posters to fume at the price tag*

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OK seriously, who cares.

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Well you pretty much are the only person to only consider players to be skilled only if they are on par or better than you, so the same can actually be said about yourself lol.

Although as far as the environment here...shit I haven't seen anyone "skilled" (by any definition) at an Arcade in months, and there doesn't seem to be anyone holding tournaments or competitions either, haven't been in one/seen one since 2005. The regional boards at ddrfreak and bemanistyle are pretty much dead :/

Skill is for n00bs. It's all about looking flashy when playing at the arcade.

Skill is a vague term for this game as they're different uses for the word. I'm skilled at reading Doubles charts and can pass a handful of the DDR 10s but when it comes to Singles, I'm pretty terrible.

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Way ahead of ya.

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Edit: Removing my skill arguments, it'll lead to no where

No you're bloody not. It's no different from all the other crap that's posted in this and the Multi-Platform thread that leads nowhere.
My point was that my level of skill is not uncommon. If the majority of people on ranking pages rank above me, then my level of skill is very common. Tristars on ITG 13s are uncommon, and so are some stars, I skewed it a bit there. I still believe that the majority of players can score better than me, or somehow do better, and that anyone who doesn't think that hasn't looked at very many rankings, or seen as wide a variety of scores.

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do you really realize how many people play DDR? It's a LOT more than what these online forums represent.

Sticking coins in the machine then staring at the screen in bafflement while making abortive motions towards the arrows does not count as playing. 80% of people besides me I see using the machine at the arcade, covered right there.
As for the people that don't do that, even the ones that don't go on any forums can trash my scores with ease. Scoring is the easiest objective way of measuring skill.

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Consider this:

My cousin has AA'ed 7 footers (mostly just Kind Lady to get Extra Stage), but she can't pass a lot of 8's and can only do one or two 9's. I don't have any AA's, but I've FC'ed plenty of 8's and A'ed some 9's. She has better PA, but I have better foot speed, a better sense of how chaotic rhythms work and can clear harder songs.

So are her AA's the deciding factor to say she's skilled and I'm not?

PA and foot speed are independent factors, IMO.

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You all make it sound like it's a skill.
It's all a matter of thought.
Talent vs. Skill
Mind over matter.

My real guitar playing skills/talent > GH
My stepmania/keyboard skills/talent > DDR dancing

Scoring is one aspect of skill. And even there, there's so many factors in THAT. Someone who can score in the 99% without mod definitely outshines someone who does it on 3X, but at the same time, someone who AA's Felm Challenge with the bar will outshine someone who AAA's Flowers no bar. So score is not a very objective way of measuring skill.

What you describe is a new comer. There are countless people who play mostly on the home console who may venture the arcade if they're in the area. You don't have to visit an arcade every weekend for 7 hours, having special attire and wipe out 7/11's stock of Powerade to be considered a DDR player. Also, the score trackers here cover a small % of players. There's quite a few score trackers out there, not to mention people who don't use score trackers.

I think judging skill level is relative to each player. I judge my skill against players similar to me, not against someone like Dr. D. I met a guy from Ohio who blew everyone in Tennessee away, but he was considered at par with Ohio players. Does that mean we were unskilled? No, he was just on a different level.

Okay, cabinet is not too too bad looking.

IF I were them, I would have just put the speakers from the GH cabinet in there, made the pads better (and I mean the sensors. They corrected the biggest flaw in the SN cabs to me at least), and put a nice patterned artwork over the buttons (which should have been either yellow, or silver)

I think a word has gone unnoticed.

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