Post Your Controversial Bemani Opinions

DDR could definitely benefit from having three levels of each difficulty rating, like 15-, 15 and 15+. I think that'd be a cool system. But it'd be a bit of a waste of time to use on the lower half.

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By licenses do you mean vocaloid and anime? If so, I'm onboard with that.

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You know im scared when Konami decides to not update DDR anymore as internet updates and require a whole entire new upgrade kit to play the latest release. im 99% sure DnB and Round 1 will NOT get the upgrade kit if they decide to stop doing OTA updates. Just because of the pandemic and all.

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Konami only really does full kits if they require an OS or hardware upgrade now. If Konami does any sort of hardware upgrade for DDR it will probably be deprecating the Windows XP PCBs while still doing online upgrades for the Windows 7+ based white and gold cabinets.

They've let the oldest cabinets go all the way to A20+ with pretty much the same hard drives they've had since 2013, on PCBs dating back to 2009, which really holds back the fidelity of the game on the newer cabinets.

I don't like Beach Side Bunny.

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The constant bitching and moaning about the rating numbers is annoying, yet laughable to me.

Dunno if this is controversial or not

I don't like Dancemania licenses from old mixes because most of them sounded too similar with each other (like how J-Core musics sounds similar with each other). I do not mind the charts though but I just don't like the songs.

That'd be like 90% of old DDR mixes musics, I guess.

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Something's gotta be done, though. The difference between the easiest 18s and hardest 18s are as wide as the difficulty of 16s and 17s. The issue only really becomes noticable when you hit around 13 and 14 level charts, but it only becomes more and more noticable and fucking annoying the higher you go. 19s being wildly different in difficulty get a pass because there's only a few of them, I guess, but every difficulty from 14 to 18 have too many outliers to shrug off any ideas of updating the rating system.


agreed, the song is plain obnoxious to listen to

Next controversial Bemani opinion: NGO Challenge isn't one of the worst DDR charts ever. Not even close. All you would have to do to make it a good chart is to ease up on the stepjumps. Paranoia Hades is a million times more obnoxious because it pretty much combines the worst part of NGO with ambiguous crossovers.

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I personally find no reason to be bothered by any of it. Currently there’s nearly 1,000 songs available to play, I know what my personal limit is and whether I think a chart should be rated 1 number higher or lower than what it currently is isn’t going to make any bit of a difference to me. The chart is what it is, regardless of its rating. And with there being such a large library of songs now, of course there’s going to be some 14s, 15s, etc. that don’t feel like other similarly rated charts, which is fine.

The annoying thing about the X-scale is that everything below a 10 feels like it was assigned at random, and then once you get to the higher difficulties there's such a wide berth between the easiest and hardest charts in the range. Most rhythm games have this issue to some degree, and IMO Pump's ratings are even worse, but it's an issue that needs to be addressed. The X-scale was designed for the days when there were barely any charts above a 13 in the game, and it shows.


That's fair. I just think it's useful QoL, and fun to debate about. Discussions like these help me understand how to rate my own charts, at the very least.

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Some ratings are debatably wrong, and we all discuss these things to death yeah. But there are so many songs with different degrees of difficulty that overhauling the entire thing doesn’t really make sense. What is the solution? A 30 scale? A lot of us called for a new scale after SN when it became clear that songs like Sakura shouldn’t have the same rating as HDVO, and what did that get us? Something that worked for like two games before there were so many songs that it just became convoluted and broken. Like I said before, if it’s within 1 of the rating you think it should be then it’s probably fine. If you’re passing 14s and the song you pick should maybe be a 15 you’ll be okay. If you’re passing 15s and the song you pick should maybe be a 16 you’ll be okay. Now if you’re passing 14s and the song you pick should be a 16 or 17 that’s an issue. But so much of what is “hard” is so subjective and varies from person to person. I mean we could have a debate on if Sakura is a 13 or 14, but ultimately at 13 it’s not going to ruin the day of someone playing 13s who picks it having never seen the chart before (does this hypothetical person even exist? lol).

For people sick of seeing this discussion, what do you propose we talk about? There aren’t as many people here as there used to be, these boards sometimes go 12+ hours without new posts. Just be glad we are still here.

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There's also another solution albiet more extreme and something, unlike a lot of fans of other rhythm games, DDR players in particular treat as seriously as losing their first born. Fucking removals. Trim the fat. Pump needs to do this a bit too. We don't need a bunch of 15s and 16s from ten years ago when they were rarely made with any idea of what the fuck they were doing, and anybody moving their way up from the intermediate stages to advanced stages will play something like Magnetic Expert and think "oh, that was fun, let's explore this 15 folder some more" and then their next song will be something like fucking Arrabbiata.

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It's an annoying house track with someone rubbing 2 wet plastics together D:

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If they don’t remove them at least rechart crappy songs. They did it in 4th mix and just put the original as an edit on the machine so it’s preserved but not part of rankings. They just outright recharted Paranoia Eternal in Extreme. And if they don’t want to include the original steps at all they’re preserved in the old mixes, home versions, and sim files. “Yeah it’s shit but it’s official” is dumb.

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Have you heard the trap version of Beach Side Bunny from IIDX?
Its so much better.

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Full-on disagree.

19, november > 20, november

i will fight people on this

All day.

I thought most people agreed 19, November was the better song.

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It's a better song, but 20 November is just more iconic and memorable, y'know?

Sort of like how most Paranoia remixes are better than the original, but the original will always be the legendary one.

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