DDR X3 VS 2ndMIX (AC) (Japan)

FUCKING THIS.

I've said it before, but I'd also prefer MAX2 over EXTREME.

@VD vs. PRevo : They both have their fair degree of nonsense. I suspect Revolution is a bit easier because the crosses, and even the spins seem easier to doublestep/bracket one's way through, but I'd have to play it to see. Also, it's easier to use 1.5x on PR than VD since Revolution is 360 BPM most of the time, so it's easier to read.

@TsukiyoX: There are some things I prefer Extreme for (Telephone Operator, for one), but X3 seems better overall because there's so much more content, not to mention Marvelous timing by default for scoring players.

Just my 2 cents, anyway.

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I'm a bit late to the party, but I don't think that TME S- should be an 18 (at least compared to other 18's). Does it really compare to the likes of 888 , FAXX , or let alone that train-wreck DEGRS ? I'd say it looks more like a mid-upper 17, despite the many jumps and crossovers, but that's just me. Nobody has to agree.

The only reason I'd ever say Extreme is better than X3 is assuming that if it even gets to the other side of the Pacific, we'd still have shoddy cabinet construction. -That- is the only beef I have with newer mixes, but otherwise, Hell's Bells, I really enjoyed the stuff X2 put out, and X3's content looks pretty interesting as well.

But I think PRevo is harder than VDO, so they should both remain 19s, and let them define the "19" so that we now basically have a basis to follow, and what to expect from future 19s. We are NOT ready for a 20 yet, so to those expecting a surprise 20, I'd wait a mix or two.

..Guys lets stop. We are losing focus of the real evil here, damn Konami for making that chart. Now that we have that out of the way, is there going to be another update on X3 or is this just the final set of new sucks we get?

Edit: SONGS. I MEANT SONGS. New sucks doesn't exists.

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Didn't want to judge PRevo S- compared to Vdim S- until after watching it thoroughly, but now I can say PRevo looks definitely harder than Vdim. You can't BS through any of it. Vdim's hardest parts can be easily bracketed, and they're conveniently offset from all the other parts so you can tell exactly when it's coming.

Oh wow those charts are awful, I don't even want my nightly snack anymore

Trip Machine Evolution S- simfile!
http://www.mediafire.com/?huurakrla17v6kp

As with PRevo S-, expect a mistake or two. (Especially on the stops. Those were tricky for me to time from the video.)

We still have Nephelim Delta and Touhoku Evolved , unless they are somehow unlocked through gameplay because of this update?

Now if we have one more update involving songs from the 2nd remix disc, I will bow down and take back everything bad I've said about X3 vs 2nd mix Although this is highly unlikely.

I'm not sure if anyone checked by do any of the songs which are not 2nd mix exsclusives from 2nd mix have new charts?

Or is Konami satisfied with the Groove Radar specials and X-Specials. We could always dream to have AM-3p's cha from Ultramix 4's dlc in an actual mix.

I swear if they make charts for Tohoku Evolved and Nephelim Delta, it's NOT going to be pretty. And PR on was just.....INHUMAN. Not even the #1 DDR player in the world could even FC it (well maybe) but definitely not PFC it. Konami needs to get a hell of a lot better at chart-making. Like in DDR Universe 3, I was really impressed with the charts on most of the songs. They looked fun but also challenging. Like Doki Doki or Tesla Coil on . They should've put some of those songs in DDR X3.

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Maybe that's what you get for demanding a 19.

IMO charts that makes sense stops at 17... some 18s maybe. But a 19 would require it being a clusterfuck.

And I'm pretty sure they have to add crossovers to increase the difficulty. They even added 16th@360 BPM. But for me, the footswitches on PARANOiA Revolution S- was unexpected.

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Extreme has sound issues that made it less appealing to me. They stuffed 240 plus songs on to a CD ROM so the sound quality took a dip south. Add to that you can get MAX, MAX2, and EXTREME on the PS2 (mind you, their Japanese CSs, not the neutered US ones thank you very much) all with full CD quality sound. Extreme AC is a no go for me. Give me a new game like X3, espcially with BEMANI being mostly arcade only centric nowadays.

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Um, no. While they're a step up from the arcade versions, they're not CD quality.

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X3 is a lot more noteworthy now than it was a couple of days ago. For people in Japan, it's been six years since Butterfly's chart was playable in the arcade. All these unlocks actually drive an interesting point home; Playing 2ndMIX is a lot more exciting than playing X3.

Despite age and copious data compression, EXTREME is still a fun arcade game to play on a regular basis. I wouldn't pick X3 over it... Though X2 would a good successor for it, because X2 was also a mix that pulled out all the stops. I just don't see X3, in 10 years, being looked back on with the same fondness as EXTREME.

*Konami releases charts*


If you stopped asking for 19s and 20s, then this wouldn't happen. You got what you wished for.
In this case, the wish was not worth it's weight in gold.

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Neutered? The US DDRMax is godlike, with over 70 songs and being the first place to play a lot of songs at home in 60 FPS. Until Festival was released in Japan, it was the only place to play Grad Cyber AMD in 60 FPS. To this day its the only place to play some of the club version songs in 60 FPS. The licenses were top notch, it has Oni mode, it has foot ratings, in general its everything the less than 50 song CS 6th mix wasn't. You can argue the licenses that didn't show up, but nearly all of them made their debut eventually anyway. I have CS 6th mix, I play it for Lovin' You.

DDRMax2 US was also great, featuring multiple songs from extreme as well as fantastic licenses. It got some of the licenses missing from DDRMax at the expense of 7th mix licenses, but over all its a good game. Its not 7th mix, but what is? Its far from neutered.

Extreme US... where do I begin. First of all, they stuck with a name for the sake of sticking with a name. Anyone with a lick of common sense knows that this is really the US version of Festival. Your complaint should be that you didn't get Extreme, not that Festival US was neutered, its actually infinitely better than the Japanese Festival. Plus it got a license from the Arcade games that Japan never got, There You'll Be. As great as you say the Japanese CS games are, they sure to seem to miss songs from the arcade games.

Really, you just sound butt hurt that you never modded your PS2 and imported these games. In reality, they aren't that much better than what we got, they're just arcade accurate.

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I'm going to let you in on a little secret.
Hard charts can be fun too. (888, anyone?)

I hate to bring this up, but look at the charts the ITG community puts out. There are plenty of good 13s and 14s that are really fun (18-19 on X scale).

It all comes down to knowing what patterns are fun.

Flailing around the pad is not fun, and it's honestly like HDVO in the sense that nobody is going to play it. Period.

Basically what I'm trying to say is Konami needs to hire chart writers that actually play the game and can play these charts. We want the harder charts, but the quality of the chart still matters.

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out of topic:

London EVOLVED Ver. B:
https://dl.dropbox.com/u/80900356/London%20EVOLVED%20Ver.B.sm

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Wow, it is taking a long time unlocking all the 2nd mix charts but I'm having fun doing it. It certainly feels nostalgic doing this. I even AAAs (actually, SSd) some of the songs on 2nd mix mode which isn't much nowadays, but I am certain if I did that when 2nd mix was new people would have thought I was some kind of God(tm).


First off, know that I mean not to criticize on a personal level, just on the stance/opinion. Forums are designed/originally were intended for discourse.

By that you mean Westerner (primarily) ITG fans. The average Japanese player, no, I'd go so far as to say the vast majority outside of the elite ones like Brosoni, Takaske, Rin-Go, Un-Lim, etc. don't even touch anything higher than say, a 15 (and even then the only 15s I ever see played are Max 300). You want something that is "fun" (which is subjective) based on patterns that you feel "work" for whatever reason, whereas the East wants new variety in patterns and charts to make a kind of "puzzle" that needs to be solved. Yeah, some of these "puzzles" are ridiculous BS, but at the point of 18s and 19s, very few players will ever seriously play them anyways and any chart in that spectrum is just icing on the cake. You talk about HDVO never being played, but at the upper end of the spectrum, it has been. It was even PFCd.




^ The reason I slant this so heavily towards the Asian/Eastern/Japanese side is that to be blunt, this game is made and released only for Asia. The Western audience doesn't factor into this one. If you like it, great. If you don't, oh well. In either case, you can't even get the game, let alone the full experience and all the features via eAmuse/PASELI, etc. At least there is Stepmania to simulate it, however.

/me feels like he is writing another book :/

Also, unrelated, I'd say Extreme was nostalgic, and it is to a degree, but it was out in Japan for 3 years and everyone got sick of it. Some of the more hardcore players even quit altogether (though some moved on to other music games).

I'm still really liking X3. Some of the charts are dumb (Rescue me double Expert can *still* die in a fire despite the fact I PFCd it), but then again I never cared for the hardest of the hard RDA Challenge charts on X2 or some of the X-Specials for other reasons.

My only regret is that it doesn't have the tightly knit social culture behind it that X had in Japan or (vastly moreso) 3rd mix.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nN2QxBWso_4

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