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Was JUST about to post this, but yeah ENDYMION CSP has been officially passed, although I don't think FEFEMZ hit the requirement to get EES though...was it that you needed 950k to gain access to the EES?

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iirc yeah

So in total... 925 steps, 124 of them jumps... I just tested the chart on Stepmania and I'm like, "How is this not a 20?!" If that rating was ever to be used, here's where it should've been. Is there anyone who thinks that any of the other 19's are harder? Cause I don't think so!

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VD /OTP lol, or all 3 are the same, idk.

950k was never going to happen on the first clear, but this is a good play.

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I'll certainly agree in calling the hardest 19 footer, but really the thing is this is basically just IX played at 1.1x rate as far as I'm concerned - there is literally nothing this chart does except the footswitches that hasn't already been seen before at 400 BPM:
-Streams: Anti-matter, few others
-Crossovers: PR, New Decade
-Jumps: FELM
-BPM gimmicks: FAXX
-General high difficulty: IX
Though the 10% extra speed does make a pretty large difference. If you want some practice for ENDYMION, try beating all of the 100-200-400 songs (FAXX, Anti-Matter, New Decade, couple I'm missing) on 1.1x rate.

Also, let's use the 18-footers for reference. Our first six 18's were HDV, FAXX, FELM, NGO (all on :cha. While certainly hard, none of those hold a candle to later 18's like POSSESSION or 888. It's not terribly surprising then, that eventually there'd be the IX of 19's - not a 20, but the barrier to which any definitively harder song will be rated against.

At this point, I expect a 240+ BPM boss song for the first 20. At least. Although it will be almost certainly a DDR original, to get a sense of what kind of song could make a 20, listen to these tracks:
-HE4VEN (SDVX)
-FIN4LE (SDVX)
-Illness LiLin (SDVX) (okay, I can't actually imagine them being crazy enough to have a 16th run at 280)
(SDVX using a 1-20 scale really makes this too easy)

I mean, there's precedent for the first difficulty in a category to push the BPM limit if we look historically:
First old-scale 10/new scale 15: MAX 300
First 17: FAXX
First 18: Also FAXX
First 19: VDO (480 death run)
So the first 20 has a good chance for breaking another speed record.

Still, I'll admit I probably *am* setting myself up for disappointment and the first 20 will probably just be OT'P'-styled crossovers mixed in with jumps at 220. I just want to imagine a song that takes away VD's record for hardest stream.
VD is much easier, not because the hardest parts is easier (the Valkyrie Dimension death run is still the hardest singular run in any DDR chart IMO), but simply because most of the charts difficulty is compressed into the 480 stream and the ending - those are the only 19-worthy parts in the song, so if you can somehow not die to those, nothing really aside from that is too hard. It's why I always maintained that OTP was harder.

OT'P' I'd say is also easier than ENDYMION, though not by as much - the big question for it comes down to whether or not you find extremely intense crossovers (stuff like Vanessa walks, spins, and HDV crossover) at 200/210 harder than relatively standard crossovers at 220. If you find the former harder, ENDYMION and OTP are closely competitive in difficulty, ENDYMION's difficulty owing mostly to stamina at this point (and OTP's no slouch, ENDYMION's just arguably worse), and of course, if you find the latter harder, ENDYMION is a harder by a mile.

EDIT:
So where was the last scoring item located? I didn't see it.

Egoism 440 D- should be a 20. And I think VD S- is harder than Endymion S-

Sigh.

DDRCommunity difficulty tier list has been updated. Take a wild guess where ENDYMION CSP is.

http://ddrcommunity.com/ddr-difficulty-tier-list/

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People really think ENDYMION is the hardest 19? I can't say I agree, maybe mid-tier imo.

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Doesn't DDRCommunity judge by PFC-viability? Really, ENDYMION's the hardest 19 as far as PFC-viability goes? VD is still arguably way worse, just due to you know what section

ENDYMION's definitely the hardest just to plain survive though, stamina is super-brutal (unlike VDO), and it's faster than everything except EGOISM 440, and has crossovers unlike EGOISM 440

It might too new to put it up there and perhaps time will tell how hard it really is. Could it be better than OTP challenge? I think so, but being harder than Valkyrie Dimension might be pushing it a little too far. I think Valkyrie Dimension requires a little more skill than Endymion in the cruelty department, but that's just me.

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As I've said, the thing with VDO is that almost all of its difficulty is compressed into the 480-stream and the stream at the very end; as long as you can barely limp through those, nothing else in the chart is that bad. It's why I don't consider it that hard survival wise (I've gotten farther with it than the other 19's in stepmania, getting all the way to the last steam when by some miracle I got through the 480 run, with some grinding I might be able to miracle mash it). I can't say the same for PARANOiA Revolution. And certainly not for ENDYMION, where I spend most of the chart with my lungs on fire.

The thing is, in PFC viability, the only thing that really matters is "how difficult is the hardest part", and VDO still has that on lockdown due to it's completely silly 480 run.

That 480 run isn't even the worst thing in terms of PFC viability. Different game I know but there are more than a few ITG players who can hit 240bpm candlestreams with great accuracy, I dunno any players who can hit jumps in the middle of 185BPM crossover streams.

Also this chart is fucking terrible and I expected no less from Konami

I don't think Endy should be ranked that high as a 19. Sure its stamina draining and fast, but the steps are pretty much straight forward at a high pace. While VD literally pure aids.

EDIT: wait why is Poochie rated a 16.9 while like Khamen Break is a 16.1 .... what is this list. Kramen Break is streamy as FUCK while Poochie isn't.... http://ddrcommunity.com/ddr-difficulty-tier-list-single-play-level-16/

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I've never agreed with DDRCommunity's tier lists. Personally, I use this website: http://statistik.benhgreen.com/DDR

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DDRCommunity's tier lists are based on scoring/timing. That's why you'll see a song like a Possession in the low end of 17's for example; super easy to time, but very stamina draining.

For what it's worth, I found Khamen Break pretty easy for a 16 when it came to both timing and staminda

Many people find 220 BPM 16ths with standard crossovers far worse than 185 BPM 16ths with horrid ones; it's 14.7 steps per second compared to 12.6; that is a huge difference in speed. Just as an example for that kind of difference, I find ENDYMION's (14.7) last part before the jumps about as hard as, say, POSSESSION's (12.6, and is incidentally right before it's own series of jumps), and that's the exact same speed difference (In fact, I using stepmania I've only cleared POSSESSION, ENDYMION still eludes me due to the ending).

Then again, I'm not good at footspeed so :V

Pluto Relinquish 18.2
888 18.7

wat

Clearing difficulty? Yeah? 888 is super stamina-draining while Pluto Relinquish has about fifteen seconds of actually being an 18.

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...So I expected there to be at least six places where FEFEMZ would lose a life:

1) the 12ths and 6th footswitches
1.5) room for a fourth crossover in the deathstream (doesn't exist)
2) the Tell jump where the deathstream turns into the jump stream
3) ↓
4) ↓
5) the three 8ths in the jumpstream that face the 'wrong direction' for pad mashing
6) the 'surprise step'
7) the other surprise step that didn't even get put in the prediction

and what actually happened:

0) -1 life near one of the crossovers earlier in the chart
1) Great FC'd
1.25) -1 life in the deathstream with no crossovers around
2) Great FC'd
3) Good FC'd out of order
3.5) -1 life in the jumpstream with no 8ths around
4) Great FC'd out of order
5) Great FC'd
6) Good FC'd out of order
7) Great FC'd



Basically, FEFEMZ lost 3 lives all where I didn't expect, and FC'd all six places where I thought there was going to be a -1 life. And on top of that, three of them got FC'd by an ingenious strategy. And on top of that, the final score is boosted from ~87% to ~91+%, and we're much closer to Encore Extra Stage than I ever thought possible.

This also means that every piece of this chart has been FC'd at least once by someone. Once it becomes available at least once every credit, I wouldn't even be that surprised to see an FC of the whole chart.

Heck, I was expecting lower than 890k (A+, three grades away) and we got a 917k (AA, one grade away).

Just listened to all of these, and yeah, I agree. Like our first 19, maybe we'll get a strong signal that a 20's coming when we see clear record breaks like a 10 on , a 14 on , a 16 on , or even a 19 on .

There were two chart surprises:

Referring to this simfile video by mf32892, 880 combo is the extra 8th note I didn't expect, which brings the number of 8ths in the jumpstream from 7 to 8 and creates a Tell jump. The other thing I didn't expect was 907 combo, which echospherics predicted to be the last 8th note, but not another created Tell jump.

It's probably very easy to overestimate the difficulty of a chart like this when its play and pass conditions and its fail punishment are so hard. I'll reserve judgment for this chart until it's at least available every credit, or even normal play.

Is it terrible just because it's hard, or is it actually terrible for a 19? Where?

Guess I'll end this post with:

Seeing that blue sky at the end of Endymion instead of a red one must have felt good to FEFEMZ. And now we wait for the golden sky that signals the unlocking of Encore Extra Stage....

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minor edit: Just to highlight how far FEFEMZ has gone, here's the best Endymion attempt on video by anyone who isn't FEFEMZ:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=si4T7QLaSpQ (459k by HO4-KETI).