DanceDanceRevolution (PS3 & Xbox 360) (International)

Makou's right on this, and if you have a problem with it, well...



Edit: Fine, I'll add content here. I don't know if the rumor that "Naoki said that the song would be too hard for US players and they don't want people complaining of injuries" or whatever is true. Technically, we shouldn't even know Max. exists. Never on a US mix, etc. Honestly, it's a garbage chart with a mediocre song attached.

Thinking of a reply is hard but here's mine. You ask why are there more difficult games when deltaMAx debuted? Because on the span of time where deltaMax got finished, leaked, included in a Stepmania machine, sat on the back burner awaiting Konami's approval, a lot of boss songs have been made or are being made. We wouldn't wince about it when Naoki and U1 (and Sota including a few songs here and there) still ran the show on their own.

What I'm trying to say is that they have commissioned more people to compose boss songs for use in Universe 3 and X2. People whom we don't associate with DDR, the whole Bemani franchise, or people we just don't know until their song showed up on Replicant D Action. When deltaMAX finally got approved (the steps are another story), it had to share the spotlight with all these new and sometimes harder boss songs.

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I think he said something like that. While I would doubt the answer, I've read some pretty awful DDR Arcade injuries (not sure of the home versions).

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When Konami finally accepted ΔMAX, they took the song and wrote their own chart for it. They commissioned the song, and many others, but those working on the game itself have control over the stepcharts. If they wanted ΔMAX to fit the so-called "point" of the Max series, they would have written a chart to fit that bill. But they did not.

What would have kept them from changing triangleMAX's steps to be even harder than the Uni3 charts for X2 then? They easily could have made the Challenge chart a 19/20. If they wanted to keep the "point of the Max series", it would have been remade, yet again., and replaced Valkyrie dimension. And as for Uni3, LO-F-L 888.

Well, the chart Konami did was bad. DM Ashura actually wrote stepcharts for that, but they got rejected and we got Expert steps that "seem to get easier as the song speeds up." - Zukin-Man

I think the Oni chart on X2 AC is by DM Ashura. And we didn't want garbage charts that made us play "Riverdance: The Video Game" instead of Dance Dance Revolution.

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In my opinion, this is the MAX series:

- Max 300
- MAXX UNLIMITED
- Legend of MAX
- MAX 300 (Super-Max-Me-Mix)
- Fascination MAXX

Spin offs:
- MAXIMIZER
- PARANOiA SURVIVOR MAX (how in the hell is this in here anyway?)
- MAX.(period)
- deltaMAX


If anyone disagrees/wants to comment, feel free, but this is my take on it. I never and i mean NEVER will see deltaMAX as an inclusion to the MAX series, same for Max.(period) even though it HAS the "MAX" title, it never really showed up in any other DDR game, only in Extreme JP CS, the other songs have been in COUNTLESS DDR AC games, MAXIMIZER, yeah NO (but it is a nice song). Paranoia S Max shouldn't even be here .

Welp, that's it for me, i gtg to bed, night everyone.

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The Max series, in my opinion, is 300, Unlimited, and Legend. Everything else is a spinoff or otherwise unrelated.

Also, I brought up Paranoia Survivor Max as a joke. It's the hardest song in DDR Extreme AC and has "max" in the title. I never meant to imply that it was a Max-related song at all.

why are people even MENTIONING paranoia survivor max? FFS people, its called paranoia survivor max because its a harder, faster version of paranoia survivor, EXACTLY like paranoia max is a harder, faster version of paranoia (in roulette in 2nd mix it even had the exact same steps as paranoia). learn your DDR history, the boss song didnt start with max, and having max in the title doesnt mean its a max.

seriously, some times i hate you all so much its unreal.

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I dunno what people talking about, but I think the Max. chart is pretty awesome. I'll break it down by sections:

- The consecutive jumps fit the song perfectly and are consistent with the rest of the difficulty of the chart
- The middle part is an obvious tribute to Paranoia, given its video in Extreme JP CS. The steps don't necessarily follow the music, but I guess they fit just as much as any other generic 8th notes in a lot of DDR charts
- The constant run at the end fits the drive and intensity of the end perfectly, the difficulty is warranted. Of course it didn't have to be 600BPM, but I guess it was made that way for novelty's sake.
- If Max 300's steps are good, then the rest of the chart fits the song perfectly (i.e. the shorter runs throughout the song)
- The double-steps are fairly obvious and don't really hinder the overall flow of the chart

Now if you're making your judgment simply based on the fact that you don't think it's fun, then more power to you, you have every right to think it's not fun. That doesn't necessarily make it a bad chart though


I still don't really understand why people jam on Deltamax's chart so much, am I one of the few people that actually understands it? You basically play the song as if the freeze arrows aren't there, and the chart flows perfectly. It may not be the most "fun" chart in the world, but I think it's a pretty clever gimmick and good challenge to play.

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I have to fully endorse this post.

The only part of Max. I like is the backing video. I thought that was a nice touch. And that's about it.

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the steps in the whole slowdown on heavy are taken straight from the original paranoia's expert chart
but yeah, i actually like both the song and the steps. nothing wrong with them at all, it works.

and i could tell you were joking in the original post but unfortunately people seriously consider PSM to be part of the MAX series so i'm gonna have to scold you for bringing it up

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See above, I was joking. I guess I forgot how stupid the internet is, in general. Not talking about you, necessarily. For my own shortcoming there, I apologize...


...but I refuse to take responsibility for the idiocy of others. Sorry.


Your breakdown is logical, but logic doesn't make it a good chart.

So when are we getting Cartoon Heroes for dlc?

When everyone who owns a DDR game that has available DLC downloads like mad adder, proving to Konami that DLC is so lucrative that it's worth re-licensing old Dancemania tracks outside of Japan.

You missed my point...entirely.

How so?

WE ARE THE CARTOON HEROES WOAAAH!

Color I think? Change the subject?

Anyways, I wanted to throw out there that I love MAX. (period) and would love to see it revived. What everyone thinks is part of the MAX series is irrelevant to everything. How did that conversation even start?

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^ That is exactly how it started.