DDR X3 VS 2ndMIX (AC) (Japan)

In a way it still is for me, never passed on pad, neither at home nor at an arcade xD

Interested in seeing whether any of the newer X3 songs will have 18/19 charts. While a 19 is less likely, we'll most likely see at least one new 18 I think.


In a way it still is for me, never passed on pad, neither at home nor at an arcade xD

Interested in seeing whether any of the newer X3 songs will have 18/19 charts. While a 19 is less likely, we'll most likely see at least one new 18 I think.

I just don't like superhard charts that don't fit the mood of the music. The early Max songs made you want to move as fast as the arrows were coming. Most, say, jun boss songs do not, so I'd prefer more fun charts in their place.

I absolutely love the standard charts of every one of the jun "boss" songs, it almost feels like they should be the heavy and the heavy the challenge. Always puts me in a good mood if I'm not feeling the 15's.

What I'd like to see are more songs like Xepher, I'm so Happy, and Flower where the chart is a 9-13 and the is a 13+.
That way, both levels of players can enjoy it.

I think X3 should have introduced 1-2 new 19's, with the first 20 in the next mix.

I predict
Paranoia Revolution will be 18 and 18(different chart that's not a mashup)
Trip Machine Evolution will be 16 and 17
Tohoku Evolved will have no .

After IR5,
The evolved songs will be playable.
All 2nd Mix songs will be playable in X3 mode.
Paranoia Revolution and Trip Machine Evolution will be playable in X3 mode.

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Who says that always has to be harder than ? KAKUMEI, SAKURA, MAX. (period), and DanceDanceRevolution were all slightly easier on than their counterparts.

I think that ITG really set the bar for difficult charts and KONAMI's followed suit since SN1 to create the most absurdly hard stepcharts for boss songs on both & (think FAXX & Pluto Relenquished).

The reason some challenge charts (most notably Sakura) are easier than the experts is because they were at the end of courses,
and it was kind of like a preview for before the song unlocked.

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Personally I never got why some challenge charts are easier than their heavy, because wouldn't it make sense to have the next difficulty setting harder than the last? I personally don't understand why they just didn't switch the charts in those cases.

as for DDR copying ITG I never quite think Bemani quite got what ITG did. Indeed ITG has some REALLY hard charts, but IMO Roxor seemed to put alot of work and sometimes used some interesting ideas in those charts. Those 12-13s also had plenty of 11s and 10s to buildup ones stamina. DDRs boss songs (especially in SN1 and SN2) especially what would become the 17s and 18s just seemed to be created with difficulty in mind, and nothing really to build one's skill up towards passing those harder songs, outside of sheer practice of a handful of songs.

That's part of the argument, though. Some of us nubs would like extra 15-17 range songs to bridge the gap first. That's my ideal range, anyway...

More like... how many of you are in favor of 19s and 20s have actually cleared an 18 or a 19?

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Its kind of a back and forth question isn't it with no real answer. Can't we all accept that if you don't want to play 19s don't play them and if you want more 19s or 20s go to r21freak?

VD Oni is easy to bullshit, even more so than paranoia hades, I'd rather we got a 19 where bullshitting wasn't a necessity, the chart was just flat out hard...

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...After reading this over a couple of times, I completely agree.

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Paradox0> the reason oni isn't always harder than heavy is because "oni" referred to the nonstop courses with a limited life bar (from Max2) and the songs contained therein specifically for the courses. They were there to test different skillets or show off a different style of chart, not necessarily harder.

If you want to blow your mind, look at the songs from 1st, 2nd and the club mixes on double. Some of the standard charts are harder than the expert ones. Though, that was due to the fact there was no double expert mode on those mixes and the double standard mode was the expert mode.

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There's also the fact that Stars Re-tuned by HAL single is harder than .

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Its been about 10 years since Max.(period) was introduced in Extreme CS. When it was introduced, it was one of the dumbest thing any of us had ever seen, and was considered a joke, something you had to memorize to pass. Fast foreword to now, and people are wondering why this song hasn't appeared in an arcade game yet because they find the chart to be good, also the 600 BPM part is 400 BPM slower than they normally play, SPEED MODS HO!

The average joe still can't pass Max.(period).


Wasn't that back in the day when Standard was "Another" because of Beatmania's Another difficulty, where it wasn't necessarily harder or easier than the other chart but just "another" chart for the song (kinda like Oni as you described?).

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As far as 19-20s for the future are concerned, I take a look towards ITG, and I look at the 2:30-3:00 songs, that length is perfect for a DDR 19-20, the arrows wouldn't need to be crammed up and put into these stupid hard-to-read patterns that, let's be honest, make no sense and hardly follow the music. So long as the steps can be arranged smoothly, and someone that plays the chart doesn't have to go nuts reacting to awkward note patterns, I would be in favor of putting 19-20 charts into DDR.

Why are 19s/20s okay only on doubles? The charts could be better, I agree, but I don't know if anything harder than Possession D- CAN be fun at all. From what I've seen so far, the bad charts seem to be the ones that are not AAA-able (unless you can think of a counter-example), which already includes some 18s on doubles. Time will tell with these new songs, I guess.


So is Silver Dream available as EXTRA STAGE now?

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That's just a typo.

It guess it depends on your skills and stamina. The chart has jumps, the has chaos.

I find myself having trouble with the jumps personally.

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SILVER DREAM is still ENCORE.

NEPHILIM DELTA has been downgraded to EXTRA STAGE now.

It's going to be a long time before this machine is unlocked isn't it?

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