DDR X3 VS 2ndMIX (AC) (Japan)

Trip Machine is known for charts that force spins and funky turns. If done properly, you always end up facing the screen again within a few beats. We haven't seen that kind of Trip Machine chart since Survivor. Climax didn't do this, Phoenix didn't do this, Evolution doesn't do this. It's one thing for a chart to spin, it always brings you out of the spin properly. Evolution doesn't do that when it breaks flow.

Question, how many of you who are SO AGAINST 19s and 20s have actually cleared an 18 or a 19?

I've cleared Anit Matter Challenge and New Decade Challenge, no bar (lol X2 life gauge). A few friends here have cleared VD S-Challenge, none of them want to see anymore 19s or higher either.

Why does it bother you so much the idea of the game being more challenging? In IIDX most average players can't touch half of the game due to its sheer difficulty, if you don't want to accept the challenge of harder difficulties, you'll always have lower difficulties available. Of course you don't get to brag about clearing INSANE NEW 19 FOOTER on challenge, but big achievements should be only for the people willing to go for them.

It's not the challenge aspect at all, it's the poorly done part of it. I used to think songs harder than a 10 were stupid. FaxX proved that, Paranoia Hades proved that. X2 disproved that with a whole slew of 16-18s that were actually FUN AND challenging. I'm ok with 19s and 20s IF they're for doubles, but squeeze a chart hard enough to be a 19 or 20 in under 2:00 requires either arrow barf or End of Century style steps at Fascination MaxX speeds.

It's all about building stamina, so no complaints here about adding maybe another 19, possibly a 20. However, I wouldn't add any more than that. Best thing to do would be to keep the game well balanced for everyone, i'd rather see more 11-14s than 18-19s, or the dreaded 20.

Side note, my view has a huge bias since I don't use the bar.


Let's not forget about Valkyrie Dimension's chart thought process:
HUUUUUUUUUUUURRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR DUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUURRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR

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"Poorly done" is often based on opinion. You could think that VD-challenge is horseshit, but as long as there are people willing to go for it because a clear on it gives you higher "status" in the community, they'll get a lot of play even if it's just for the sake of keeping the competitiveness of the game at a high level. If you don't like it, don't play it, or make an edit for it. People will always find a way to deal with newer, crazier challenges. I never thought I'd see people bracketing in DDR, but recent charts have forced players to get creative with that, and I think it's just a matter of time until we actually see 3 or 4 arrows that must be pushed at the same time in a song.

VD Oni will be acceptable in a decade. Don't worry about it.

Try to think of this, to some people DDR will always be serious business, they are always looking for a way to get better at the game. The only way achieve that is by breaking the "barrier" of what's considered possible (this also means breaking the conventions of what a "proper" chart should be) and more 19s will eventually have to come to fill in that premise. It's the natural progression of the competitive aspect of DDR.

This used to be the hardest song in DDR


So yes, the game will always get harder.

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A good way to get better at the game is to use mods that you would never use instead of waiting for a 19 or 20. I've only seen a few recorded instances where people use mods in regular play.

I love playing with Dark, Reverse, Flat, 0.25x

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Using mods will only get you so far for challenge in terms of stamina.

Ok, then throw Shuffle into the mix. You can't work on your stamina once your muscles learns the songs through muscle memory.

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^ that's not a bad idea

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Play VD on x1.3 music rate and then you have your 20.


I don't think that in 10 years the average joe would pass VD . Probably not even in 100 years.

It seems the argument about harder charts always comes down to "well I think it's dumb and so do my friends therefore they shouldn't be made" which makes no sense. There is no downside to challenging the segment of the player base that does enjoy those songs, and the rest of us can play on a lower difficulty, no problem. Not sure why the existence of challenge offends some people.

Also I can barely tell what's going on in TRIP MACHINE EVOLUTION. I won't pass judgement on the chart until I can either play or understand it.

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Thank you sir.

I DDR has the only fanbase who complains that the highest difficulty is too hard. I've never heard anyone complain about Halo's Legend difficulty or Diablo 3's Inferno difficulty (well not too much of an outrage anyways).

UNBELIEVABLE (Sparky remix) is now fully playable now outside of EXTRA STAGE.

But I bet the yellow head joe could

YEAHHHHHHHHHHHHH

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