DDR X3 VS 2ndMIX (AC) (Japan)

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OMG, what a crap!

Paranoia's Expert chart Im fine with, it fits the song (or rather, the song fits the chart). Trip Machine Evolution though, no, it is not good. The chart suffers the exact same problem that so many DDR 2010 charts suffer from: bad chart flow. I find it hard to believe that this chart gets a pass while everything on DDR 2010/II can be tossed to the dumpster.

My opinion is so far, X3 is a slight step back from X2. Looking at both games as a whole:

X2:
-brought about a new unlock system not seen in DDR before: RDA with distinct ways to unlock each song that was quickly found out
-ported over great CS crossovers from the Wii/PS2 games and some excellent Universe 3 crossovers
-tons of bemani crossovers, uncut
-Boss songs that were not only hard, but fun
-An entire slew of alternate versions of songs (Chinese versions, new roppongi ver. D, Gold Rush versions)
-A good chunk of hard songs that weren't actually boss songs
-Fun events where unlocks were based around time of day or some silly mini game or collecting tiles
-A nice set of remix unlocks (reminded me of Max 2's remix Challenge only songs)
-over 80 new songs

X3:
-brought over some of the worst CS crossovers from DDR 2010/II
-an odd unlock system that's confusing and hard to understand (stars, colored stars, what?)
-ported over a old mix as a new mode
-tiny license list
-over 60 new songs (76 if you include 2nd Mix mode)
-events that are hard for people to participate in (play 5 days in a row? songs that change cities?)

Over all X2 seems to be a better package because it introduced so many new things and got it right. Is X3 bad? By no means, but is it excellent? Not quite. I'd put it on par with SN2.

I'd put it on par with SuperNOVA. Especially the part about it being a "catch-up" mix that has a few memorable songs but is overall just average.

For both SN2 & X3, i like the SN2 Course mode, where the newly unlocked new courses come with a new song which is not available on game mode for the time being, until it's being unlocked when IR end.

X3? Boring courses all the way with songs already available on game mode (excluding the Enjoy level unlocked songs)
But finally, there's an incoming IR5 with new songs which available on extra stage only.

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Flasing lv. 20 it could be :

1.Crazy long cluster of 8th notes on high speed BPM or cluster of 16th notes on Mid tempo BPM.

2. Tons of jumps from beginning until the end of song.

3. Gigantic groove radar even bigger than Dead End Groove Radar Special.

4. More insane BPM . 777 or 888 or 999 or even higher than 999 BPM.

5. More erratic sudden Stops. More unpredictable stops.

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[quote=Silverhawke][quote=EarthPluto][quote=Maestro Grithok S]
no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no.[/quote[[/quote]

also, apparently some people don't realize the concept that is called difficulty gap.[/quote]

now with the bonus of creating shitty charts voluntarily. if anyone's idea of 20 footer ever come true, people will complain regardless.

KONMAI WHERE'S OUR 19 FOOTER GIMME 19 FOOTER LOLZ

*Valkyrie dimension , POSSESSION D-*

OH NOEZ THIS SUCKS BAD KONMAI BAWWWWWWWW

*flash forward*

KONMAI WHERE'S OUR 20 FOOTER GIMME 20 FOOTER LOLZ

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I've never played the actual game but from what I've seen, I think X3 is great. It's quite random how they included an old game as a side attraction. But I still think this game is very awesome. I don't think there's really no reason to compare this against X2 (the more "focused" of the two) because this game almost has all the songs from X2. I'll go on for the record and say the step patterns from the CS KOs are fine as is. I think people here just love to complain for complaining's sake. Plus since people where this game is meant for, not North America/Europe, instead Japan and east Asia haven't received a CS DDR mix since Music Fit, it's all new content for them.

Extreme < SuperNOVA 2 < 4thMIX Plus < X2 & X3

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I'll go on record as saying my only disappointment is that the pinnacle song has a mashup chart that doesn't take advantage of how much more involved the chart really could have been. I'm thoroughly satisfied with every piece of content aside from this.

Hopefully the song will unlock in the editor (Would there be a reason why it wouldn't?). I'd like to see what Japanese player come up with.

I'm still trying to figure out the hate for the possibility of a 19/20 chart in this game, seemingly to the point that many people just don't want any song with a 15-17 to not have a . Whether the chart is too hard to play for a certain player or the does not exist, what is really the difference? I'll be honest that even in my prime the best I could pass was Maxx Unlimited , but I am also glad that people who actually do enjoy harder charts get to experience what they want. Of course who says even if beating every chart is a goal, those great 10-14 charts are guess what still fun.

Of course DDR does indeed need more 14s and 16s, as I think DDR does a very subpar job with progressing its chart difficulty, especially at the "boss" level, with nearly everything capping at 17/18. However despite what I wish we would see more charts of, I find it pretty absurd for anyone to demand a 14 chart from either of the 2ndmix ES if they transfer over to X3 mode.

The problem is that the few 19s that are out there are so hard, people call them dumb. By wanting a 20, you're asking Konami to continue to provide us stupid charts that are "artificially hard" because of "gimmicks" (which I don't call bpm changes and pauses a gimmick but that's a debate for another day).

I don't mind seeing a 19 or 20 but only if it's rated for: a doubles chart or a very long song.


It won't, none of the post X songs appear in an editor, but that doesn't matter. All we need is the song's master id and they'll make an edit of it. They'll have to make edits and change the ID for the song until they get one that shows up for Paranoia Evolution.

I wonder if any new challenge charts yet seen will make its way into the new IR's

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Vaguely related question: What songs are impossible to currently make an arcade edit for? Obviously, all songs from X1 through X3 can be edited except the 2ndMIX only songs and the Xmixes (?), but what about songs exclusive to SN2 and earlier?

Sorry if this is a little dumb or off topic, I'm not very familiar at all with playing edit charts in an arcade machine.

All songs can have edits created for them in some way (except POSSESSION do the chart length).

For X2 and X3 songs in Japan, a user must create an edit and modify the "song id" in the data directly or use a program called DDREditMax2. Then the user puts the edit on a PSX/PS2 card and uses DDR X JP CS's library manager to export the edit data to a file compatible for X, X2 or X3.

For the US and Europe, using SimPhony Online someone can create an edit for any song found in X/X2 except POSSESSION and deltaMAX. If US/EU ever gets DDR X3, song id's for the X3 songs will be added to the database so that users can create edits for said songs. The user can use Konami's Online Library Manager to covert edits to the proper format to X/X2 machines.

Edits are just sets of 16th note taps with a song id attached to it. The game doesn't verify that the song existed in DDR X or before, it will happily apply an edit to any song with a valid ID (though I'm sure there are checks that prevents edits from being recognize if the song isn't unlocked for normal play). Japanese players, from what I can tell, usually just create a junk edit and modifies the song id to see if X3 recognizes the id as a valid song.

Someone told me that the latest X3 patch don't allow playing of X2 and X3 edits anymore. In short, "banned".

But not all boss songs flashed, and not all flashers were boss songs. LOM was the boss song of Extreme, but PSM flashed as well. You could play PSM Heavy as your last song if you played Paranoia Bros. backwards, so you COULD call that a boss song, but PSM Oni flashes as well and that can't be played until the song is unlocked for normal play, unless you can play through the first 4 songs of Legend Road to get to it.

On that note, not all red songs flashed. Paranoia Survivor and Mad Blast come to mind as 10s that don't flash. You also would have to included Candy*, Kakumei, Dance Dance Revolution, Trip Machine Survivor and Maximizer to the list of red ("boss") songs that don't flash, although they aren't 10s.

Edit- also Outer Limits in festival didn't flash, but I can't remember if it was red or not...


Have you played any of the Trip Machines before Evolution? Thats a Trip Machine chart if I've ever seen one. Those step patterns do the Trip Machine name proud. They aren't supposed to flow, the song is called TRIP MACHINE. The Trip Machine series pretty much get a free pass on step placement as long as they aren't TOO outrageous, as long as the rhythms match up.

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Yes. Patch version 2012050800 "fixed" it. Most of the non CS version (Playstations) got "fixed".
I'm trying to find ways to "bypass", but to no avail...
Some of the "non CS" still survive thou~

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I would like to restate this point.


Again, the reason some of us would like a 20 is NOT because we're just dying to play a chart that is rated a 20, its for completion purposes. The scale is very clearly intended to go up to 20, not 19.