DanceDanceRevolution (AC) (Japan)

Because sometimes, global warming happens and we get 70s in December. Think about that.

Anyways take this CS talk elsewhere, for the thread shall remain dormant yonder March of MMXIII

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So in the mean time while waiting for info what would you like discussed? Al actually posted on page 6 that when there is no new info its not a huge deal.

Like I said, if the ZIV database is accurate its missing KOs. 20, November (DDR Version), Let Them Move, and Make A Jam are missing. I would need to see an actual machine to be sure, but also according to the data base all of the 2nd Mix category songs aren't in 2nd Mix mode.

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Stuff about AC, since there's none... nothing.

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chewi stop being butthurt =3=

inb4 silverhawke =3=

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99% Sure this is correct. 20 November, Keep On Movin' and Let Them Move weren't playable in DDR 2nd Mix, and so they aren't in 2nd Mix Mode either.

In the regular game mode, Keep On Movin is in the "2nd Mix" folder, because that's the game it first appeared in (although it doesn't have any charts, and can only be played in Step Battle mode). 20 November and Let Them Move aren't in the game, but would certainly be in this folder as well if they were.

hai

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Like I said, according to the database there are songs in the 2nd Mix folder that are in arcade 2nd Mix but aren't in 2nd Mix mode. I haven't seen a 2nd Mix machine so I'm going off of the data base right now.

http://zenius-i-vanisher.com/v5.2/gamedb.php?gameid=134
http://zenius-i-vanisher.com/v5.2/gamedb.php?gameid=347

Brilliant 2U and the Orchestra Groove remix are in 2nd Mix AC but aren't in 2nd Mix mode, according to the database anyway. Same with SP-Trip Machine (Jungle Mix) and Put Your Faith In Me. Also, according to the database, Think Ya Better D is in 2nd Mix AC but is in the 3rd Mix folder on X3.

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KEEP ON MOVIN', 20, November (D.D.R. Version) and LET THEM MOVE are in 2ndReMIX CS as preview songs for 3rdMIX. Their charts are mindblowingly easy. They were changed in 3rdMIX AC.


wrong except think ya better D. I suppose it's a 3rdMIX song? I do know it's in 2ndReMIX CS.

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So what you're saying is that the ZIV database is all kinds of wrong then.

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Does 2ndMIX Mode on DDR X3 have the ability to access Couples play from the main screen?


It has inaccuracies.

After the title screen, it gives you the option of "Couples" or "Versus" modes before taking you to the difficulty selection screen and then the song select screen.

edit : You MAY have to hold in the two yellow buttons while pressing start to get this screen (as you did in 2nd Mix). All the videos I've ever seen of someone playing 2nd Mix Mode have involved going through the screen to select Versus Mode.

I feel like everything I've learned about the games I never played is a lie...

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So the only one-hit-wonder feature it omitted that was indeed present on the vanilla 2ndMIX arcade is Step Battle. n00b, technically those three songs should have been present... but not as playable songs in a traditional sense. Echoing what everyone else said, those songs weren't given official charts until the 3rdMIX arcade.

It would have been cool if they had brought that feature back as a nod to the fans, but given all the little flaws present in the recreation of that mix, if they had intended to do so they likely just ran out of time.

The database is outright wrong about that 2nd Mix songlist. It looks like they've listed the songs which are available on the "DDR 2nd Mix" mode of DDR 3rd Mix, rather than a 2nd Mix machine.

We did a Podcast (link here) on DDR 2nd Mix last year. I think I was the only one who'd actually played it, but we covered all the weird experimental shit that never got carried over to other games in the series.

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The way Konami catagorize DDR songs when it comes to things like song folders aren't necessarily "which game did this song first appear in?" but "which AC generation did this game first appear in?".

The 13 numbered AC releases are canon games. There are updates, CS ports and foreign spin-offs, but each of these games can be traced back to it's "mother" - The Japanese AC game on which it was based.

If a song appeared in a canon AC game, Konami attribute that game to the first AC game in which it appeared.
If it has never appeared in a canon AC game, Konami attribute it to the "mother" of the game in which it appeared.

This is why the Simfile Database seems so weirdly designed. Forever Sunshine first appeared in DDRMAX MAX 2 USA (a non-canon game), but it became a canon song in DDR SuperNOVA, so Konami will always attribute it as "coming from" DDR SuperNOVA, because any song which had a Japanese AC debut will always belong to the first canon game in which it appeared.

Pretty sure this is because the 2ndMIX MODE database entry is based off of BEMANIwiki, which only lists songs that are revived for 2ndMIX MODE that weren't on X2. Those songs are in 2ndMIX MODE, but since there's nothing new about them, they weren't re-listed by BEMANIwiki.

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Early DDRs were a little messy with version control...

think ya better D, TRIP MACHINE ~luv mix~, and LOVE THIS FEELIN' are actually considered Solo 2000, although they appeared in CS 2nd and 3rd Mix as well (like promo songs for Solo 2k) before they were ported to 4th Mix arcade. For some unbenownst reason (probably so it would contain a TRIP MACHINE song instead of all three being in 2nd Mix's folder), they were put into 3rd Mix once the Solo 2000 folder was disbanded. These three were never playable on a 2nd Mix arcade machine, or a 3rd Mix version other than "PLUS."

LET THEM MOVE, 20, November (DDR version), and KEEP ON MOVIN' were in arcade 2nd Mix, but only via step battle. When the home version, 2nd ReMix was released, they were made unlockable after so many song clears, given placeholder charts and put in as cheap substitutes for 1st Mix songs that didn't appear in the home version, so LET THEM MOVE for instance, had the approximate difficulty of HYNBM. They were also coded to work with 2nd ReMix's new Training Mode. These were totally scrapped for the charts they're better known for featuring in 3rd Mix. Only KEEP ON MOVIN' has warranted reviving from EXTREME on, and thus it's been bunched in the 2nd Mix folder since then, despite being technically a 3rd Mix song (see also: Official Soundtracks).

MAKE @ JAM! was playable as a first stage on EASY or NORMAL for having a memory card with a 1st Mix savegame inserted in the 2nd Mix cabinet, which kind of acted as a preview for "Link version;" a 2nd Mix savegame allowed that, along with LOVE (in EASY), TUBTHUMPING (in NORMAL), and PARANOiA KCET -clean mix- (in HARD) to appear in the game as well, as a sort of motivational factor to use the memory card slots. I think the condition for playing PARA KCET was actually a technically LOW score in the HARD group (like "C" average).

PARANOiA MAX also was in 1st Mix, as EXTRA STAGE if you SS'ed PARANOiA (or better) as your final stage, although it just had PARANOiA's original stepchart at 190 bpm (hence, the "in Roulette" version that appears in 2nd Mix, highlighting the final stage "roulette" option in it). That's right, DDRMAX was -not- the first version with EXTRA STAGE.

Basically, apart from the three KONAMI ORIGINALS (MAKE IT BETTER, TRIP MACHINE, and PARANOiA), these songs made up a series of "replacement songs" for 1st Mix songs that didn't appear in the home version. think ya better D has a simple spinny chart, because it transplants butterfly, for example. LOVE THIS FEELIN' is supposed to transplant LITTLE BITCH, etc. But then KONAMI made some of them conditional outside of All Music Mode, they're like the wildcards that shake up the song selection process between stages.

One All Music Mode was discovered though, it became the go-to mode, so for 3rd Mix and (3rd Mix's "2nd Mix mode," which is what was ported to Dreamcast), it just goes straight to that instead.

2nd ReMix's PARANOiA MAX was broken, too. The stepchart played correctly, but it would play the last 6 seconds or so of the song, and then continue playing into KEEP ON MOVIN'. In fact, the stepchart data was actually synchronized to CD tracks on the disc (skip track 1 and it's a self-contained CD soundtrack!!), but PARANOiA MAX's "GAP" value was typoed/broken. Both the "regular" and the "roulette" version.

All of the KONAMI ORIGINALS to date were included in 3rd Mix CS anyways, under a mode called "3rd ReMix." For as carried away as KONAMI gets about "heart 2nd Mix forever..." the truth is, 3rd Mix was their REAL breakout version. That shit was EVERYWHERE.


Personally, I would just bundle that whole bunch of songs together under "3rd Mix," mash Solo 2k's, 4th/PLUS, and 5th Mix's together into "5th Mix," MAX's into MAX 2, and there we go. 7 somewhat tiny folders all mashed into 3 cohesive groups that actually relate to the contents of those arcade versions (give or take SAINT GOES MARCHING). Done. Because having a 3-song 1st Mix and a 6-song DDRMAX folder just kinda sucks.

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Do you forget Dance Dance Revolution Club Version in DC?



PS.It is possible that load into the DDR AC next version?

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I thought that was the Internet Ranking version only (and CS).

Also, for those curious about Extra Stage in 1st Mix, you get it by finishing your last song with a full dance gauge and you play the Extra Stage on the next highest difficulty unless Extra Stage was unlocked on Maniac. At least on CS anyway.

Does anyone know the Extra Stage conditions for the Solo games? I've heard those have it too.

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Solo BASS Mix, I don't know. That one might.

Solo 2000 didn't have one, though; although with a AAA score, you could hit Roulette and get the bm IIDX version of Let the beat hit 'em!

You'd start with a number of "song tokens," usually 3 (it could be set as high as 8 or 9!!). Nonstops worked like long versions and took 2 tokens. Autofailing a song wasn't an automatic Game Over, it just cost you an extra token. So with 3 tokens, you could play a normal stage as your first, fail it costing your second one, and then still have a 3rd token left to play another stage. That and 3-panel mode makes it pretty beginner-friendly, before Happy/Beginner Mode.

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Make a list of changes needed and I'll fix it.