Post #4661 · Posted at 2010-09-09 07:09:44am 15 years ago
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No, it's a term used by IIDX games. EX SCOREs is used to work out how many "pts" you've got in a play, it's nothing to do with EXTREME. You know how ONI MODE calculates it's scores in MAX2/EXTREME? It's the same thing.
Say a song has 500 steps and 10 freezes with each O.K. being worth 3 points.
Your highest EX SCORE would be: (500 x 3) + (10 x 3) = 1530 pts.
So...does EX SCORE give you anything extra or it's just for...show?Say a song has 500 steps and 10 freezes with each O.K. being worth 3 points.
Your highest EX SCORE would be: (500 x 3) + (10 x 3) = 1530 pts.
Post #4662 · Posted at 2010-09-09 07:17:09am 15 years ago
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its basically a simpler scoring system. unlike the regular money score which relies on your combo and what not, it uses simply your timing.
this is basically how a lot of tournaments (at least around here) work. the organizers make some kind of score based on the number of perfects and greats you got. now they dont have to do that calculation and can simply use the exscore
i like this addition
this is basically how a lot of tournaments (at least around here) work. the organizers make some kind of score based on the number of perfects and greats you got. now they dont have to do that calculation and can simply use the exscore
i like this addition
Post #4663 · Posted at 2010-09-09 07:25:10am 15 years ago
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Well, since Supernova the scoring system has been relative to EX Score:
Marvelouses and OK's are worth 1,000,000/total # of steps (jumps are one, not two) + freezes
Perfects are worth Marvelous - 10
Greats are worth half a Perfect
Everything else doesn't do anything.
Marvelouses and OK's are worth 1,000,000/total # of steps (jumps are one, not two) + freezes
Perfects are worth Marvelous - 10
Greats are worth half a Perfect
Everything else doesn't do anything.
Post #4664 · Posted at 2010-09-09 07:27:17am 15 years ago
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Yeah, "money score" doesn't exist in DDR anymore since SuperNOVA. The scoring has been a flat raw percentage of your EX score. But hey, why not? Variety is the spice of life.
Post #4665 · Posted at 2010-09-09 07:30:06am 15 years ago
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i still feel like the system is slightly more complex than that, but whatever
also its just easier to take note. jotting down scores were always kind of a pain
also its just easier to take note. jotting down scores were always kind of a pain
Post #4666 · Posted at 2010-09-09 07:35:56am 15 years ago
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Yeah, "money score" doesn't exist in DDR anymore since SuperNOVA. The scoring has been a flat raw percentage of your EX score. But hey, why not? Variety is the spice of life.
It's way better than 3rd / 4th Mix era-scoring, where getting a "good" early in the song would net you half the score of someone who got just as many Perfects as you, but got a "good" nearer the end.
Post #4667 · Posted at 2010-09-09 08:56:59am 15 years ago
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Extra Stage was firstly implemented in DDR Solo Bass Mix (by a secuence of commands and a high score in final stage) and Encore is implemented in DDR MAX until now.
Actually, it first appeared in 1stMIX. It was specifically called EXTRA STAGE too. You just had to do well enough and it would spit PARANOiA and TRIP MACHINE at you (it's been a while so I may be slightly off).
As I remember, it worked kind of like the "Final Stage" on Extreme, where getting a certain score on the 2nd stage let you play a song you otherwise couldn't choose. This was back when the 1st stage only gave you a selection of 3 each songs, the 2nd stage only gave you a selection of 3 mediun-difficulty songs, and the 3rd stage gave you 3 harder song, and (if you played well upto this point), an *Extra Song*, which was Trip Machine (or Paranoia, if your machine had the Internet Ranking patch).
It was definately called Extra Stage, but I remember it being a hidden song, rather than another stage. I might be very, very wrong, as I predominantly played DDR 1.5.
i dont know about first mix AC, but first mix CS extra stage conditions are to pass your final stage song, any song, with full dance gauge. your song selection was the same as the final stage, paranoia, trip machine, paranoia max, paranoia kcet, and make it better... basically all the 8s. since the paranoia remixes arent in first mix AC, i'm going to guess that paranoia, trip machine, and make it better are your final stage and extra stage songs.
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No, it's a term used by IIDX games. EX SCOREs is used to work out how many "pts" you've got in a play, it's nothing to do with EXTREME. You know how ONI MODE calculates it's scores in MAX2/EXTREME? It's the same thing.
Say a song has 500 steps and 10 freezes with each O.K. being worth 3 points.
Your highest EX SCORE would be: (500 x 3) + (10 x 3) = 1530 pts.
So...does EX SCORE give you anything extra or it's just for...show?Say a song has 500 steps and 10 freezes with each O.K. being worth 3 points.
Your highest EX SCORE would be: (500 x 3) + (10 x 3) = 1530 pts.
ex score directly decides your letter grade on 6th - extreme, and to a degree on 1st - 5th but those were a combination of EX score and full combo. so thats what EX score is for, and money score is basically worthless.
Post #4668 · Posted at 2010-09-09 09:17:34am 15 years ago
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since the paranoia remixes arent in first mix AC, i'm going to guess that paranoia, trip machine, and make it better are your final stage and extra stage songs.
The AC doesn't even have Paranoia. I think the final stage let you choose between Make It Better, Strictly Business, and then 2 of the 2nd Stage songs?.. Although you had to choose between easy / normal / hard at the start of the game, and that changed around the song selection a bit, as well.. >_<
I wish we'd paid attention to these things.
The "clear it with a full gauge" thing sounds like it's probably right, if it's like that in the CS version. I can imagine them putting it into the first game, and then taking it away, the moment they realised the game was popular, and would have people queueing up to play it, and there were tons of "You get a free credit if you pass / full combo / SSS this certain song" urban myths, for years afterwards".
Post #4669 · Posted at 2010-09-09 10:29:29am 15 years ago
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The AC 1stMIX has PARANOiA. In fact, the first first running of 1stMIX didn't have TRIP MACHINE, PARANOiA was it (it also lacked MAKE IT BETTER).
But it has been many years, so as to the conditions to get there, I have no clue. I'm also fairly certain the "EXTRA STAGE" only allowed selection between PARANOiA and TRIP MACHINE (I'm not sure what the version without TRIP MACHINE does, I only ever played on the one that did, which was the Internet Ranking Version). Though MAKE IT BETTER may have been there, I really don't remember, it wasn't a hot choice for me until I started actually playing it on EXTREME US.
I wish I had my MAME setup from aeons ago, could pop in 1stMIX and solve this.
But it has been many years, so as to the conditions to get there, I have no clue. I'm also fairly certain the "EXTRA STAGE" only allowed selection between PARANOiA and TRIP MACHINE (I'm not sure what the version without TRIP MACHINE does, I only ever played on the one that did, which was the Internet Ranking Version). Though MAKE IT BETTER may have been there, I really don't remember, it wasn't a hot choice for me until I started actually playing it on EXTREME US.
I wish I had my MAME setup from aeons ago, could pop in 1stMIX and solve this.
Post #4670 · Posted at 2010-09-09 05:53:11pm 15 years ago
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1st Mix had so many different versions you're all right. The first run of it had extra stage paranoia on the difficulty higher than the one you were currently on (Although playing on maniac kept the song on maniac unless you had just played it in which case nothing would happen iirc) It was an instant start too iirc
1.5 was the same only you had trip machine and paranoia to choose from on the difficulty above yours and if you played one of them you could only select the other. Make it better im sure didnt come up on this one.
Dancing stage 1 had the same however it had far more songs to choose from
Dancing stage 1.5 didnt have it for some reason mainly because by this point there were so many 8's there was no point to it
hopefully that clears stuff up a bit
1.5 was the same only you had trip machine and paranoia to choose from on the difficulty above yours and if you played one of them you could only select the other. Make it better im sure didnt come up on this one.
Dancing stage 1 had the same however it had far more songs to choose from
Dancing stage 1.5 didnt have it for some reason mainly because by this point there were so many 8's there was no point to it
hopefully that clears stuff up a bit
Post #4671 · Posted at 2010-09-09 11:28:22pm 15 years ago
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So...does EX SCORE give you anything extra or it's just for...show?
It's just an easier way to determine how well you did on a song, rather than relying on the actual score/money score (which, Pre-SN, used to give you more "points" for getting Perfects and Marvelouses towards the end of a song rather than being even all the way throughout.) I think they've since changed the money score tally, but using EX score is much easier to keep track of since it's a much lower number.
EX Score has been in DDR since the days of Extreme, too. The scoring for Oni Courses in DDR Extreme AC was a tally of your EX Score (though it was called "Dance Points" back then):
So obviously in this scenario here's the break down of the guy's EX score -
Marvelous - 2505 (x3) = 7515
Perfect - 158 (x2) = 316
Great - 4 (x1) = 4
O.K. - 66 (x3) = 198
Total EX Score: 8033
Post #4672 · Posted at 2010-09-09 11:34:39pm 15 years ago
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That's cool but what can you do with EX points?
Post #4673 · Posted at 2010-09-09 11:39:24pm 15 years ago
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That's cool but what can you do with EX points?
Again, nothing. EX Score is simply a much easier and more accurate way to keep track of your actual performance on a song, rather than relying on your money score (the 10,000,000 point score on the result screen) or your Grade on the song.
Post #4674 · Posted at 2010-09-09 11:41:42pm 15 years ago
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you don't get jack shit.
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Post #4675 · Posted at 2010-09-09 11:49:59pm 15 years ago
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That's cool but what can you do with EX points?
Again, nothing. EX Score is simply a much easier and more accurate way to keep track of your actual performance on a song, rather than relying on your money score (the 10,000,000 point score on the result screen) or your Grade on the song.
Makes perfect sense, plus it makes it easier to write/jot down instead of the 100k digits of numbers you get after playing a song...and it also helps determine who got the higher score in the form of PA. I see, thanks everyone
Post #4676 · Posted at 2010-09-09 11:55:30pm 15 years ago
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Now the main question is, will LOCAL MODE machines have that feature otherwise it means nothing to us. 
Post #4677 · Posted at 2010-09-10 12:00:23am 15 years ago
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1st Mix had so many different versions you're all right. The first run of it had extra stage paranoia on the difficulty higher than the one you were currently on (Although playing on maniac kept the song on maniac unless you had just played it in which case nothing would happen iirc) It was an instant start too iirc
1.5 was the same only you had trip machine and paranoia to choose from on the difficulty above yours and if you played one of them you could only select the other. Make it better im sure didnt come up on this one.
Dancing stage 1 had the same however it had far more songs to choose from
Dancing stage 1.5 didnt have it for some reason mainly because by this point there were so many 8's there was no point to it
hopefully that clears stuff up a bit
1.5 was the same only you had trip machine and paranoia to choose from on the difficulty above yours and if you played one of them you could only select the other. Make it better im sure didnt come up on this one.
Dancing stage 1 had the same however it had far more songs to choose from
Dancing stage 1.5 didnt have it for some reason mainly because by this point there were so many 8's there was no point to it
hopefully that clears stuff up a bit
I'm not going to go into the multiple misnomers surrounding the original DDR machine, however...
Dancing Stage was also Dance Dance Revolution in America. The game was exactly the same, same songs, same look, it was using the 2ndMIX engine with the difficulty select ripped out. It came out after 2ndMIX, it's not based on the first Dance Dance Revolution at all it was just called DDR/DS for us English folk.
This was also the Asian release of DDR, essentially the same as the English DDR though they had STRICTLY BUSINESS instead of BOOM BOOM DOLLAR for some strange reason.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Music_of_Dance_Dance_Revolution_(1998_video_game)
Yes, I'm off topic. I just can't stand that we still make these mistakes.
Post #4678 · Posted at 2010-09-10 12:05:39am 15 years ago
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Hey btw, Al, is it possible to have e-amuse but it's offline, like, you have the pass, you can track your scores, have personal unlocks and what not, but not connected to the e-amuse server? And if it is possible, can it unlock RDA songs?
Post #4679 · Posted at 2010-09-10 12:06:39am 15 years ago
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No it's not. No unlocks, nothing on your card if it's on LOCAL MODE.
Post #4680 · Posted at 2010-09-10 12:10:18am 15 years ago
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So to be able to keep record it has to be online? Dawww...