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Post #441 · Posted at 2021-04-22 04:31:36pm 4.1 years ago

Offline Silver Spirit
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Quote: AaronRoberts
Isn't this from a KONAMI game?
SEGA, actually. Their equivalent to Konami's fictional idol group has even more sexualization, but that's a whole other can of worms.

oops tam beat me to this

Post #442 · Posted at 2021-04-22 04:36:46pm 4.1 years ago

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Quote: AaronRoberts
Isn't this from a KONAMI game?
[snip]
I thought it looked normal until I noticed that you can see legs through the middle girls skirt, and what I assume are undies

Took me quite a long time to realize that and for a minute I was like "what, this looks totally normal"

But yeah, rhythm games in general could do with less of this, I just think it's a bit extreme when people are coining the term "pedocore" for the style of music that have these sort of graphics.
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Approximately nobody asked for this song to be included. Least popular decision by the Japanese since Nintendo released the Wii U.
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Post #443 · Posted at 2021-04-22 04:38:32pm 4.1 years ago

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Quote: tamtamino
I know one game, I think called Cyrus, had secret messages about shota.

See, it becomes questionable when there's deliberate undertones of loli or shota, like Cyrus had.

All the other examples previously mentioned, there aren't any issues. At that point, they're trying to point out problems that don't exist.

Quote: Quickman
...I just think it's a bit extreme when people are coining the term "pedocore" for the style of music that have these sort of graphics.

This is the point I'm trying to make.
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Post #444 · Posted at 2021-04-22 04:42:09pm 4.1 years ago

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actually while i'm here

Quote: AaronRoberts
Wow, that one hasn't got boobs, I wouldn't call her a teen :/

Correct! They're a middle schooler. First line of their bio on Sound Voltex's character page.

ボルテ学園中等部に通う、オトコ…?オンナ…?の子。
(A boy...? girl...? who attends Volte Academy's middle school.)

Inoten-chan is the most disgusting character design SDVX has had and I don't understand why they've been using it for 7 years.

Post #445 · Posted at 2021-04-22 04:42:30pm 4.1 years ago

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I'll just add that I stumbled across this jacket on some Konami official site and was pretty disgusted with it.
This character is canonically a middle schooler

Post #446 · Posted at 2021-04-22 04:43:43pm 4.1 years ago

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I love how the response from some of y'all is to show images and go "WHAT ABOUT THIS"

Like you've got a portfolio or something.
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Post #447 · Posted at 2021-04-22 04:44:56pm 4.1 years ago

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"five minute white boy challenge"
How old is the guy on the jacket of Firestorm? I want to know if it's okay for me to find him to be really hot.
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Approximately nobody asked for this song to be included. Least popular decision by the Japanese since Nintendo released the Wii U.
https://card.psnprofiles.com/1/DWN012Quick_Man.png

Post #448 · Posted at 2021-04-22 04:45:21pm 4.1 years ago

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I posted one image just to say I think some of the artwork in these games are inappropriate. Is that not okay? If I want to discuss this should I not have examples? It was in response to someone who was passively "calling me out".

Post #449 · Posted at 2021-04-22 04:46:47pm 4.1 years ago

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Some of the art is bad, some of it is questionable, and some of it is perfectly fine with the people complaining having the same energy as the weirdos who can’t help but sexualize a 12 year girl old wearing a two piece swim suit when her goal is just to be comfortable but they are creeps and see skin and can’t help themselves so they project what they are doing onto everyone else.

Edit: my goal wasn’t to call anyone out or single anyone out. I’m just saying this about the art in general and not talking about anyone in this thread. The ones posted here definitely fall under questionable. I wouldn’t object to someone finding it fine or objecting to them.
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Post #450 · Posted at 2021-04-22 04:50:31pm 4.1 years ago

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I think there's a difference between a real life 12 year old being comfortable and making choices about how she dresses compared to fictional characters drawn by men. Anyway, it seems my opinion is being taken to extremes when I've been pretty even-keeled in this thread. I've said what I've said and there's probably not much more to say!

Post #451 · Posted at 2021-04-22 04:51:12pm 4.1 years ago

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I think there's a difference between a real life 12 year old being comfortable and making choices about how she dresses compared to fictional characters drawn by men. Anyway, it seems my opinion is being taken to extremes when I've been pretty even-keeled in this thread. I've said what I've said and there's probably not much more to say!
Please read my edit and enjoy your day my dude.
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Post #452 · Posted at 2021-04-22 04:52:39pm 4.1 years ago

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So I guess when art gets posted that you can't defend against, it becomes "wow why are you guys so interested anyways???", we aren't even the ones that brought up the issue in the thread, people who are uncomfortable with a lot of modern BEMANI art got called out in the thread and we came to defend our viewpoint. If you don't like it, don't bring it up!

Post #453 · Posted at 2021-04-22 05:01:07pm 4.1 years ago

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I love how the response from some of y'all is to show images and go "WHAT ABOUT THIS"

Like you've got a portfolio or something.
Very normal thing to accuse people of. https://i.somethingawful.com/forumsystem/emoticons/emot-goonsay.gif "Actually you guys are the pedophiles for trying to back up your claims"

Post #454 · Posted at 2021-04-22 05:05:07pm 4.1 years ago

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I'm not sure if that argument is applicable, because an average person wouldn't come across these song jackets and point out specific details that are deemed questionable. It just doesn't make sense to me.

As for the lore behind certain characters that are canonically underage, it should be up to the player to know that getting off to minor characters in loose clothing is absolutely wrong. Even then, if some people didn't even know that they're underage or assumes they're just the flat type, they wouldn't even want to try and think about lewd things from their illustrations. Then again, perhaps the point that illustrators and developers could lean off a bit from this territory might not be such a bad thing.
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Post #455 · Posted at 2021-04-22 05:12:15pm 4.1 years ago

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Post #456 · Posted at 2021-04-22 05:19:20pm 4.1 years ago

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Post #457 · Posted at 2021-04-22 05:27:12pm 4.1 years ago

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I've been very argumentative and obnoxious about anime art in modern Bemani, half jokingly half not. I can easily say not every anime girl is inappropriate in these games, and I know I've stretched the truth to talk down upon it, but realistically, there is definitely some imagery that is inappropriate and that the average person would find gross if they saw it. I think to argue otherwise is unrealistic. Outside of inappropriate imagery, I just think the anime aesthetic is ugly and unimaginative, but I don't think there's anything morally wrong with the existence of anime. However, if you don't see what issues people would have with some of the more lewd imagery, I think you might be living in an insolated online world.

And no, I don't think if you like Bemani games regardless of this content you are a pedophile. There are many problematic issues with a lot of media people like. It is okay to like things while acknowledge there may be issues with it.

Now does anyone else have any unpopular opinions? I don't like La Señorita

Post #458 · Posted at 2021-04-22 05:31:34pm 4.1 years ago

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Post #459 · Posted at 2021-04-22 05:38:37pm 4.1 years ago

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I love how the response from some of y'all is to show images and go "WHAT ABOUT THIS"

Like you've got a portfolio or something.

"art in bemani games that features loli characters is often inappropriate because lolis are implied to be young girls or teenagers and they are often suggestive images"

"that's not true, she's a 250 year old witch"

"ok but she looks 15. and some of them are 15 or younger."

"can you show some examples"

"sure. here."

"what's wrong with this one"

"she is a cartoon character that looks like a 13 year old anime character wearing a thong and arching her back."

"wow, i can't believe you have a whole portfolio of gross loli images just waiting to go. and you say we're the problem"

Post #460 · Posted at 2021-04-22 05:43:29pm 4.1 years ago

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Quote: Oni-91
I love how the response from some of y'all is to show images and go "WHAT ABOUT THIS"

Like you've got a portfolio or something.

"art in bemani games that features loli characters is often inappropriate because lolis are implied to be young girls or teenagers and they are often suggestive images"

"that's not true, she's a 250 year old witch"

"ok but she looks 15. and some of them are 15 or younger."

"can you show some examples"

"sure. here."

"what's wrong with this one"

"she is a cartoon character that looks like a 13 year old anime character wearing a thong and arching her back."

"wow, i can't believe you have a whole portfolio of gross loli images just waiting to go. and you say we're the problem"
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